o.k Guys, Sounds like a bit of a plan. I'lll be there. ****** if you want to leave with me that's great & anybody else coming from the North Wirral, Manchester, Liverpool etc.. We'll arange to meet up with the others at Crossgates. Depending on how much of a ride you want we can go straight there or via llanidloes & Rhayader that'll probably put another 1/2hr our on the trip, making it between an hour & 1 1/2 hrs. If the plan after lunch at mine is to then continue on to Craven Arms, Ludlow, Leomster, Hereford for the South Wales guys then we could peel off at Craven Arms & go on to Bridgenorth, Much Wenlock, Shrewsbury bypass & everybody then split for home at Oswestry. In tgye meantime I'll go and check out the road to Crossgates from Newtown to see what the surface is like. I need to give my fireblkade a bit of a run out.