you wil have a reet larf at the course, just look suitably contrite fer a few hours!
lol
Ck
lol
Ck
So who is with me and coming on the expensive day out on the 11th August ?
Thats providing i can sweet talk work into giving me another day off £25 fee to change dates another f*kin rip off
If we are all going on that date it should be a laugh
Laters Dan
Thats providing i can sweet talk work into giving me another day off £25 fee to change dates another f*kin rip off
If we are all going on that date it should be a laugh
Laters Dan
Joined Jul 2008
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Somerset
Sounds a bit odd to me that since they're talking about "Dangerous Driving/Riding" then they're offering the 'rider improvement' option.
All forces are different but I think it's Thames Valley that will dish out the option of that course if it's careless/inconsiderate but dangerous get's you an automatic trip to the local court.
Definition of Dangerous Driving/Riding :
Dangerous driving
The law
Definition of dangerous driving (Archbold 32-27) (Wilkinson 5.03)
A person drives dangerously when the way he/she drives falls far below what would be expected of a competent and careful driver AND it would be obvious to a competent and careful driver that driving in that way would be dangerous.
Both parts of the definition must be satisfied for the driving to be "dangerous" within the meaning of the Act. (Section 2A(1) RTA 1988)
There is no statutory definition of what is meant by "far below" but "dangerous must refer to danger of personal injury or of serious damage to property: (Section 2A(3) RTA 1988). Additionally, (Section 2A(2) RTA 1988) provides that a person is regarded as driving dangerously if it would be obvious to a competent and careful driver that driving the vehicle in its current state would be dangerous. When considering the state of the vehicle, regard may be had to anything carried by or attached to the vehicle: (Section 2A(3) RTA 1988).
Dangerous driving is an either way offence carrying a level 5 fine and/or 6 months custody in the Magistrates' Court; in the Crown Court the maximum penalty is 2 years custody and/or an unlimited fine.
Wherever the case is heard, the Court must disqualify the driver from driving for at least a year and order an extended retest, unless "special reasons" are found for not disqualifying (in which case it must endorse the driver's licence with 3-11 penalty points unless there are, again, "special reasons " for not doing so).
Of course it's one of those things that falls down to this mythical 'competent and careful driver'. Where as I know mates that have got off with lesser fines because although they were giving it a handful, they were doing so ( in the rozzers eyes at least ) competently and carefully ( i.e good rider but just taking the piss a tad with the speed ) , I also know of magistrates that through their bi-focal ******** specs have treated people speeding like they're the scourge of society and worse than the worst and throw the book right at them.
Obviously don't know the full circumstances but if we're talking three figures plus , and a bit more, and a bit more, and a bit more on top and I was offered a £150 course listening to some plod waving his finger at me for a couple of hours whilst trying desperatlely not to laugh or snort like a pig :doug, I think I'd take that option rather than run the gauntlet with Miss Daisy, Terry Fuckwitt and the other clown sat behind a bench.
Either way it sucks for you guys.
All forces are different but I think it's Thames Valley that will dish out the option of that course if it's careless/inconsiderate but dangerous get's you an automatic trip to the local court.
Definition of Dangerous Driving/Riding :
Dangerous driving
The law
Definition of dangerous driving (Archbold 32-27) (Wilkinson 5.03)
A person drives dangerously when the way he/she drives falls far below what would be expected of a competent and careful driver AND it would be obvious to a competent and careful driver that driving in that way would be dangerous.
Both parts of the definition must be satisfied for the driving to be "dangerous" within the meaning of the Act. (Section 2A(1) RTA 1988)
There is no statutory definition of what is meant by "far below" but "dangerous must refer to danger of personal injury or of serious damage to property: (Section 2A(3) RTA 1988). Additionally, (Section 2A(2) RTA 1988) provides that a person is regarded as driving dangerously if it would be obvious to a competent and careful driver that driving the vehicle in its current state would be dangerous. When considering the state of the vehicle, regard may be had to anything carried by or attached to the vehicle: (Section 2A(3) RTA 1988).
Dangerous driving is an either way offence carrying a level 5 fine and/or 6 months custody in the Magistrates' Court; in the Crown Court the maximum penalty is 2 years custody and/or an unlimited fine.
Wherever the case is heard, the Court must disqualify the driver from driving for at least a year and order an extended retest, unless "special reasons" are found for not disqualifying (in which case it must endorse the driver's licence with 3-11 penalty points unless there are, again, "special reasons " for not doing so).
Of course it's one of those things that falls down to this mythical 'competent and careful driver'. Where as I know mates that have got off with lesser fines because although they were giving it a handful, they were doing so ( in the rozzers eyes at least ) competently and carefully ( i.e good rider but just taking the piss a tad with the speed ) , I also know of magistrates that through their bi-focal ******** specs have treated people speeding like they're the scourge of society and worse than the worst and throw the book right at them.
Obviously don't know the full circumstances but if we're talking three figures plus , and a bit more, and a bit more, and a bit more on top and I was offered a £150 course listening to some plod waving his finger at me for a couple of hours whilst trying desperatlely not to laugh or snort like a pig :doug, I think I'd take that option rather than run the gauntlet with Miss Daisy, Terry Fuckwitt and the other clown sat behind a bench.
Either way it sucks for you guys.
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Northern Territory AUSTRALIA
A bugga to hear yer all getting banged up for a little over zealous throttle positions
Sounds like yer better pack a picnic lunch lads and make a right day of it...rekon ya got away pretty well unscathed if a ear bashing course is all yer gotta do to stay on the road. Goodluck to yas all.
Sounds like yer better pack a picnic lunch lads and make a right day of it...rekon ya got away pretty well unscathed if a ear bashing course is all yer gotta do to stay on the road. Goodluck to yas all.
Well exactly firstly i didnt dredge this post up to start feeling sorry for myself all over again it was primarily to see if others will be there to share my day out.
I tell you now i wish i was doing three figure speeds and riding like a nutter then id think the course was good value , i think the worst they would have got on me was 40 in a 60 either way i guess the fines better than the points.
The dangerous riding charge as the defination you post above suggests is a little misleading
Laters Dan
do the crime - be prepared to do the time - sorry bud but it could of ended lie this
See what i mean what the f*ck is the point of posting on internet forums if all im gonna get is this **** **** off with your photos and take your good boy **** elsewhere.
We all know the risks of riding a bike and yeah they can end in tradgedy whether you ride over the limits or not get over it
As i refer to my previous post if your going on the 11th ill cya there
Laters Dan
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Sunny Bournemouth
agreat1 - I don't know SuperT personally, and by all means shoot me down, but if you are prepared to stand up on your soap box and put up pictures implying that someone else's riding could of resulted in serious injury or fatality, then be prepared to be pilloried for it. Especially when you have no personal knowledge of the situation, road conditions, traffic, riding ability or any of the other many variables.
None of us are perfect, and i'm sure your riding isn't either. I'd like to think we are here to support one another. Certainly, if someone posts something that is endangering to theirs or anothers life, then i'd expect them to be confronted or challenged.
SuperT good luck with the course, and don't get disheartened :thumbup
None of us are perfect, and i'm sure your riding isn't either. I'd like to think we are here to support one another. Certainly, if someone posts something that is endangering to theirs or anothers life, then i'd expect them to be confronted or challenged.
SuperT good luck with the course, and don't get disheartened :thumbup
Joined May 2008
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Northern Territory AUSTRALIA
Not cool at all posting photos like those and following up with such a personal comment. Sorry mate, but i agree with the above comment emphatically. :eatcorn Yearp, as for the course, just get it done and ..try n look remorseful
irate
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Brent Knoll, Somerset
That photo looks like a set up. I have cut up lots of cars at road accidents and it doesnt look right to me. The "A" post has been cut on both sides (thats the post either side of the windscreen). I reckon this was done so they could bend the roof up, stick a bike in and bend it back down. This would be very difficult but thats what I think. I may be wrong but I have been to **** loads of accidents and probably a dozen involving bikes. Summat here looks wrong to me. If there was a body in the drivers seat you would take that roof off and the bike off them to get them out. There again I aint an accident investigator I just cut the people out. Anyone know the history of the pic?:dunno
Joined Jul 2008
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Somerset
You're right BS. It was a setup shot done for a road safety campaign which if my fading memory serves me right was done in Holland or Belgium. Took a car and a bike from seperats RTAs and slapped em together.
Must admit having been to more than a few RTAs myself in the past my first reaction until reading on was a big 'eh this doesn't look right :dunno' .
And Super T, I hope you don't think I was implying you were riding dangerously in my previous post. That wasn't the intention. I was merely voicing the thought that if you were ALL doing that and the cops had a strong enough case including the evidence to go with it, then it seems odd for them not to follow through with it all the way to court, rather than offer the course which from my understanding is an option for lesser "offences".
Im the first to admit i ride fast.....but safe, i will go flat out on motorways and on the limit down country roads, thro villages and towns i ride at a safe speed which will allow me to stop in an emergency, i read the road, the traffic and the situations around me, before people start laying the law down and condoning the way others ride and telling them they deserve to get tickets and are lucky not to die take a look at yourselves, agreat1 you have put in another thread that there was nothing you couldnt do on your old R1, which means you must have taken that bike to the limit and back to make that statement,therefore you have ridden above the speed limits and obviously taken risks, before you slag people off ride with them and then make a judgement, i ride with these boys and can honestly say we as a group have never been reckless which would blatently cause harm to the public.
On the day of the offence i trust the judgement of these boys, if it was not in their opinion safe to ride at 60 in a 40 limit they would not of done so, i do not judge anybodys riding skills or observation skills and do not wish anybody to judge mine, ride how you think safe regardless of others opinions
Thats my rant over, im goin to clean the bike now :biggrin
On the day of the offence i trust the judgement of these boys, if it was not in their opinion safe to ride at 60 in a 40 limit they would not of done so, i do not judge anybodys riding skills or observation skills and do not wish anybody to judge mine, ride how you think safe regardless of others opinions
Thats my rant over, im goin to clean the bike now :biggrin
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kent
do the crime - be prepared to do the time - sorry bud but it could of ended lie this
Fella,personaly i was leading these boyz on that ride-out,so i felt bad enough on that nite,so i don't think its very nice showin **** pictures like these.We all know what its like out there,ok we were all speeding,we do the course & move on,so maybe abit of moral support from a fello rsv member..:rant
Kev, at any point while you were leading that rideout did you feel the speeds you were doing detramental to anyones safety, including yourself and the general public ?
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kent
Fella,it was long twisty roads,hardly no traffic,been riding long enough to know what its like out there,as far as safety concerned,in my eyes it was safe,within my limits..:thumbup
Sorry to ask that Kev, i know you and know that not only are you a good rider you dont lose your head on rideouts, there have been times when ive deemed it safe to open up and give it some and you have held back as you have thought differently as i have done when riding out with others and knowing most of the boys on that rideout you were leading they also must have thought it safe to do so, respect to ya Kev :thumbup:thumbup
Joined Jul 2007
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kent
No probs fella,i know everyone is entiled to there opinion,but it does piss me off with stupid photos,i know its awereness,& everyone should ride to there own limits(as i do)although i don't own the right hand wrists of all the boyz on that ride-out,didn't make me feel any better..:thumbup
eeerrrrr Kev..... just keep them thoughts to yourself mate or get on the right forum before ya write stuff like that
ukeuke
