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How is the top speed limited? back wheel rotation or engine rpm?

Ignore 2knob, 15/42 is the gearing Aprilia fit to the bikes when they compete in the thunder twins and other race series (Tuono Factory held a lot of the 2010 lap recorde in this trim).
WOT he brought up are a whole bunch of gearing [choices] you will need "from track to track." You'll be a back-marker you keep the same gearingoing from track to track, no? Yesssss!

Once again, I like this 15/42 street vs. track settings. And as I cut a short video, and prove most positive, you are going to have to show me how fluid the gears are from idle off from a dead stop you can't even hear the rpm make a difference. Downhill gear is perfect in every way. It has a gear but I like to low rpm it to cool her more. You are buzz bombing her with the fan on, and all is good for you and that bike.

Do you see me stopping you to do it? Nope. I'm outside looking in. That is just one setup of many. Would you agree?; No one has the same pipe, meaning, this would be a different running bike, correct? I would think so. You have more HP than my stocker, you change pressure out the back. Well, I got the same HP. It just takes longer to get out the tailpipe with my stockers.

The bike is deliberately over geared as sold to meet emission regs
And like I said, someone like you will teach me how to ride, how to work on the bike, and I have yet to hear you show me how CAN is not universal as in a rose is a rose. I'm waiting on that one in the other thread. And obtw, this is like a race. You take a turn, I take a turn. Lap after lap, you need to bring that paragraph forward so we know who is right, who do we listen to as far as tuning some pop out of the back pipe. As far as that stumble between 3 and 4k? Wait for it... And oh yeah, the big one I like is that map2 I need shoved down my throat, because I already showed you my tune. I do not need it says the AFR.

I already showed you my [stock] gear pattern for passing. I like sending that bike through a nice tight one, no surprises. I have a lot of gears to select; thank you factory! But no, you won't watch the tuneup evolve another way and go through its paces will you. Why? Because you are [stock] on the 15/42-map2 and if anyone else has a different opinion, heads will roll down the internet the armchair engineers have spoken. Factory knowsquat says you!

Here is how your abstract works for deliberately over-geared? I pull away from a dead stop; in a linear fashion. It's caused by the emissions. I have perfect drive-ability out of a corner, no stumble, not even a hez; It's caused by the emissions. We here at the factory have our hands tied. But every year, we come out with a faster bike than last year with the same emissions tacked on. This is so we do not become stagnant in the honeycomb of the cat converter.

Who would bring up emissions vs. HP and drive-ability with a gearbox attached? Bring on your abstract so I can make sense of it and so can others see who is on what page of the shop manual, not guess at emissions vs. gearbox.

The argument is... I'm going to defend the factory engineers in their final choice of product into the crate. ONce I receive it, OFF goes the pretty stuff. It's my bike. I change things around, you change gearing around.
 
After reading the last reply I have to remind everyone not to do drugs. As you can see it ***** you up
 
@2know, my question has been answered perfectly by Batfastard, with all the info i need, others in this thead have also provided some good info, i asked questions that required specific answers which have been provided, but your posts just don't seem to make sense, please for your own sake and all other forum members sanity start posting things we can make sense of, i'm not having a go, i'm just trying to give you some friendly advice.
 
@2know, my question has been answered perfectly by Batfastard
Noted. When you say he answered it for you that is fine. Now, I point out how it is limited for anyone else. Is that Okay with you? This is tech like it's a tech question that can be answered in the book. The book does not tell you outright. Get it?

with all the info i need, others in this thread have also provided some good info, i asked questions that required specific answers which have been provided, but your posts just don't seem to make sense
So what your saying is that I don't understand the book and it works totally different you hear someone else and I explain the book abstract against someone you trust. I trust the book. You choose.

please for your own sake and all other forum members sanity start posting things we can make sense of, i'm not having a go, i'm just trying to give you some friendly advice.
I am also giving you some specific advice right out of the shop manual. WATT you do not grasp now, you will see it applied as other members bikes take a **** and need some sort of repair/understanding.

I let my bike speak for my tuneup. Do you hear any popping like a bad running stocker? Do you hear any hez/pop/bounce/knock/me off line is going to show you some wheel... Would you relax already. This is not about you but about high tech theory.

I want you to prove anything that is a fallacy like I don't know what I'm talking about? Are you on drugs or WATT?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GpUqOftDFg
 
fizzydx;55022 I'm not having a go.[/QUOTE said:
Yer should after that #24

slayer is that whit drugs do to yer???

That dudes heids seriously stuck up his arse.:yes
 
2know give it a rest min, you are chasing people away with crap you write. Go and get a life or at the very least learn how to write in English
 
Not sure what the vid was meant to show, but the black 4x4 easily keeping up and running over big drain covers is not very impressive!

Seems they guy who does not know is not from this side of the pond, and his way of using the English language is quite different to the majority on here. But for sure, despite all those words, I still don't thing anyone is getting his message!
 
Yer should after that #24

Nah, that would just encourage him to reply with even more drivel, i don't think i could cope, i've already turned the gas on, i'm just trying to decide if i should light the match or not, nah, **** that, i've got a Tuono that needs to be ridden.

BTW, for everyone else in this thread, i now have my bike booked in to the dealers on Friday to have a 42T rear sprocket fitted, 15/42 :thumbup
 
BTW, for everyone else in this thread, i now have my bike booked in to the dealers on Friday to have a 42T rear sprocket fitted, 15/42 :thumbup

Why are you not doing that yourself ? Still getting used to mine, have the front sprocket so will swap that out soon and see how I go ;-)
 
Why are you not doing that yourself ? Still getting used to mine, have the front sprocket so will swap that out soon and see how I go ;-)

My T is still under warranty and even though i could do it myself i would be rather pissed if i screwed something up, at least if the dealers do it they are responsible for any damage or screw ups, changing the front for a 15T does make a bit of difference at low speeds, eg: traffic, roundabouts, etc, but i feel the bike needs to be quicker on acceleration.
 
My T is still under warranty and even though i could do it myself i would be rather pissed if i screwed something up, at least if the dealers do it they are responsible for any damage or screw ups, changing the front for a 15T does make a bit of difference at low speeds, eg: traffic, roundabouts, etc, but i feel the bike needs to be quicker on acceleration.
Get the dealer to swap the engine onto Map 2 at the same time, it will make riding at 30mph through town easier as it cures the hunting/surging, dropping the overall gearing will lift the engine to about 3k revs at about 30mph and it's a lot easier to ride in traffic.

FWIW I have always avoided flaming forum users but in 2knob's case I can't see any reason not to. He has owned an Aprilia for 10 minutes and is tryubg to tell everyone what to do. Please add him to your ignore list or follow us to our new site where he is not welcome.
 
Get the dealer to swap the engine onto Map 2 at the same time.....

Forgive my technical buffoonery Bat, but in my ignorance I thought Map 2 was only needed when you were adding aftermarket cans, minus baffles, or similar.........not just for standard cans ?

As I said, forgive the daft newbie question .......:blush
 
Get the dealer to swap the engine onto Map 2 at the same time
And again, if you know a little about open and closed loop, you'd find that loophole.

FWIW I have always avoided flaming forum users but in 2knob's case I can't see any reason not to. He has owned an Aprilia for 10 minutes and is tryubg to tell everyone what to do.
You again assume I demand you do this. I am slowly explaining the very complex bike in simple terms. I am running map2 but you do not know how to get there and it took 10 minutes because I can walk up to any carb bike or computer bike = Same function is why I can hack the bike that fast.

Please add him to your ignore list or follow us to our new site where he is not welcome.
All of a sudden I am an outcast, not welcomed? But you all flew the coop here for some unknown reason is this site keeps popping up as not the site to go to. I'll see you in a few months and you'll be knocking on the door to get back in. Foreskin, this is the place to hack/tune/Tuonos. Plus, bring your balls if you want to ride hard.

Thank you very much for visiting our race pit you all seemed to abandon. You are welcome any time here. We do not cop attitudes about bikes and how to tune them. The shop manual is a hard animal to read. Wonder if our member found that cam/crank problem yet?
 
Forgive my technical buffoonery Bat, but in my ignorance I thought Map 2 was only needed when you were adding aftermarket cans, minus baffles, or similar.........not just for standard cans ?

As I said, forgive the daft newbie question .......:blush

I don't know if Bat took his ball(s) and left the pits. A little competition is part of the sport, no? You want to squirt away from someone, yes? I sure do. Car fenders are not on my diet. It goesomething like this:

Map1 = 15 AFR @ Cruise speed. 16 AFR is ideal economy. 14.7 to 15 AFR is that lamda running to perfection, or ideal conditions.
a. Gives the best performance for overall economy/performance.
b. Note how the 02 keeps setting the 15 AFR [video numbers do not lie].
c. Note how the 02 continues to set the 15 AFR if you run more sound [no baff].


*Map2 = 13 AFR @ Cruise speed. 14 under load says [hi-performance] setting.
a. Gives the best powerange. Screw economy if we want power we need more gas ratio.
b. Note how the 02 keeps setting the 13 and change. [video shows no lie].
c. Note how fast I can get my AFReadings and you refuse to see it real time is just a ride away.
d. Note how the 02 kept the 13 AFReady Steady.
e. Note how you can run open pipe or any pipe with the performance set at 13

*NOTE: How I cannot verify I am at the Map2 setting; until I see it on the axone in a few daysay tuned. When that is manually set and my same AFR readings are the same as the hack vs. map2, watt does that tell you? I will send in the raw data, I have nothing to hide... These are the Q's you cannot answer for me as I find out how the ECU operates as my concept pans out *** failures or successes.

See how fast my concept works as if it was a clogged carb jet? See how fast you can find **** if you had a more open mind, not I gotta go, you're not welcomed and it's not about you but the workings of the bike = 2REPAIR... Fair enough?

So no, you do not have buffoonery Q's. Just one Buff to another... You either know thishit cold or you don't. It's that simple, BAT.

Next batter that wants to take a swing at the abstract.
 
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Forgive my technical buffoonery Bat, but in my ignorance I thought Map 2 was only needed when you were adding aftermarket cans, minus baffles, or similar.........not just for standard cans ?

As I said, forgive the daft newbie question .......:blush

Strictly it is - and I always thought the same..
Liz has her Tuono with stock airbox & cans, and has been on Map 1 up until we got the bikes serviced at Griff's in June prior to going off around Europe on them. He recommended putting it onto Map 2. It uses a little more fuel because it's running richer, but it is smoother, and it's easier to ride in traffic - it will run at low revs/low throttle without stumbling etc. Liz reckons it's an improvement, and her mpg hasn't reaaly changed worth commenting - we did over 150 miles between fuel stops one day.
 
Strictly it is - and I always thought the same..
Liz has her Tuono with stock airbox & cans, and has been on Map 1 up until we got the bikes serviced at Griff's in June prior to going off around Europe on them. He recommended putting it onto Map 2. It uses a little more fuel because it's running richer, but it is smoother, and it's easier to ride in traffic - it will run at low revs/low throttle without stumbling etc. Liz reckons it's an improvement, and her mpg hasn't reaaly changed worth commenting - we did over 150 miles between fuel stops one day.

Bat, have you got any idea if going to map2 would cause any damage to the cat in the long term? also, do you know if we need to get the throttle bodies balanced when switching to map2?
 
Bat, have you got any idea if going to map2 would cause any damage to the cat in the long term? also, do you know if we need to get the throttle bodies balanced when switching to map2?

The TB's wont be affected by the map change, and I don't know about the CAT's - not really bothered about emissions from my bike, I don't go far enough.
 
Thank you very much for visiting our race pit you all seemed to abandon.

Sorry mucker, a didnae realise this wis our race pit.

If what yer say is true then yer must be imagining this.

True.
 
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