cant't flip the beast

hi
i just wonder if there is any advice or "how to" for having no fear of leaning the rsv in high speed. i always tend to overbrake every corner which results into slow ride through the corner, bad line etc.
here is a vid of my ride (the one that is holding the camera)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hTiOlrSEhk

Brake less, ride faster and lean more.
Need to see your body position i think, to give any more than that.

Im so helpful to day!

my body position? imagine a bag of potatoes sitting on a pig. woala! you see me on a bike in the middle of the corner
http://www.victim.sk/gallery2/v/mille/j2.jpg.html
http://www.victim.sk/gallery2/v/mille/j.jpg.html

i know it is bad but cant help it. stiff like a brick
actually quite the same style like the guy i am overtaking on the video

they are tall bikes, you must hang off like a gibbon, unless your Camier.
Once you get used to the hight just lean more.
Knee downs were fun on the mille
ck

knee down was something i was planning this season but i will fail to get it done

no roundabouts where you are matey??!! , a great way to practice... (for free)

ck

Our roubdabouts are small and dangerous most of them having sewer hoods if i am not comfy on track the road wont help my brain understand the physics of riding.

my advice is to concentrate on riding the bike well, forget about trying to get your knee down - when you're riding the bike comfortably at speed the knee down will just happen. I would suggest you stick the bike in 4th gear and ride the whole lap on the throttle only - no brakes (so that means using the engine braking only) <- I believe the California Superbike School teaches this, I used this techinique and its quite hard to master but it teaches you not to rely on as much braking. It worked for me but may not for everyone.

I think Deacs has hit the nail on the head there. If I'm teaching someone to ride the first thing I'll say is "don't brake for corners". That way you'll enter the corner with a slower speed and once you understand the corner you can put down some power and have a faster exit speed. Also don't try to get your knee down as it may look good in pictures but has very little to do with actual cornering, but do try and shift your weight around a bit for each corner.

Learn to weight the foot rests when hanging off the bike to find stability. As you hang off, try to put pressure on the outside peg and use it as an anchor to support your own weight. Drop you inside sholder and always look through the corner rather than in front of you (if you have photo service on your trackday, check your body possition, ideally 1 *** cheek should be off the seat) Once you get your knee down and get used to the feel of it, you'll want to drop your body furhter on the inside and won't be able to put any pressure on the outside peg (unless you have very long legs or very high pegs). then use you outside leg heel to support your weight. Keep reminding yourself not to put your weight on the bars. Only push/pull them to aid corner entry. Don't forget to relax and look well in front. A couple of pics where I am putting weight on the outside peg and knee down. My body should be lower down.

Hello i`m a total site noob. But would like to help anyway. Why is it you dont want to lean? your body position says your not relaxed and dont trust the bike, grip, yourself, whatever. I`v seen that position alot and it is usually down to either, a fear that the bike will wash out, or the idea that the bike feels too heavy and wont lean over. If it feels too heavy then like its been said its just because your not going fast enough for physics to hold you up. Keep in mind you could be dragging your belly pan, but if you were to just hop off mind corner, the bike wouldnt fallover, it would stand up by itself and go straight, we are making it lean, not holding it up. If its that you dont trust the bike or grip etc to commit to lean thats another issue. First check your bike, tires, pressures etc. Then follow a faster rider, relax and know if there are doing it on that surface at that speed, so can you. Up the pace gradually and stay relaxed.
My 2cents hope that helps in some way!

thanks i will try mny best on 19.9. on a trackday. keith kodes twist of the wrist is my bible but i cant help it cant get rid of the SR not alowing me to do it right

just relax. What tyres have you got? Do you trust them? Have they ever slid at all?

Have you had your suspension set up at all? does it feel 'wrong'?

Other than that the Mille is such a capable bike, it will lean and lean. Try and put your head down a bit, your body position would be more suited to a Tuono!!

i have sportmax qualifiers2 i trust them coz i know they are far better than i am. only slide i had was in the morning on the back when downshifting .
the suspension is set by me for static sag and rider sag (20-30mm) as per recomendations by many. anyway i had better times on a track when the suspension was much softer but i feel the bike is more stable in the corner now so i rather adapt my riding than go back for the wavy settings

When you get there. Use the longest bend to practice, (as you dont have any roundabouts) before you get to the point you initiate the turn, you should already 1) be in the right gear 2) be in the right position to turn in 3) Be already in the right body position for the turn (lower half at least, as you can adjust your upper around abit mid corner without upsetting the bike too much) 4) be at a speed that YOU KNOW you can make the corner through. Get all of these things sorted, and dont expect to get your knee down, because you wont. Do EXACTLY the same for two laps. But next lap, do everything the same, except for step4. This time set speed 5miles an hour higher than the last time. If there is still no drama, and the bike tells you everything is fine, again repeat for two laps and another 5miles an hour next lap. if you want to do it in increments of two then fine also.

The idea being to acclimatise you to what you and the bike can physically do. As long as the bike, tires, surface combo are all functioning as they should, increasing corner speed by 2 or 5mph wont result in a crash without warning.

But beware of a few things doing this. Firstly dont keep adding speed if the bike says no, or it just feels "wrong". appraise the situation each time mid corner, is the bike settled? am I settled? what are tires telling, should I distribute my weight better next time? keeping all other elements the same, could I do this faster next time etc etc.

Secondly, doing this you will very quickly reach beyond your comfort zone, this is fine if you dont panic have faith in your bike and tires and your bike it not screaming at you not to do it. Just dont panic and tense up and get target fixation, or dump a load on the front by rolling off. Actively relax, look where you want to be and have faith in your bike to get you there. You will be amazed what your bike will get you out of, if you make yourself relax and have faith in it! (for example about 110 found a false neutral braking into druids at brands, free coasting into druids at over 100 aint cool, but I forced myself to relax, got it back into gear, looked back across the corner for all I was worth and made it :crazy all be it with a fair bit of smoke and fish tailing!)

Try that for a session or two, then just go out and enjoy the rest of the day, you`ll most likely find you will be faster overall as your faith in what you can do will have increased, and your knee may even touch in the process!
It worked for me when I was teaching myself to ride :thumbup

Just an observation, i'm no expert but try useing all the track on corners,: look for your entry point & continue to look through the corner on a steady throttle as you hit the apex(which as you know you ain't)increase the throttle gradually & lift the bike smoothly, try this on all corners & don't worry if you feel slow, practice makes perfect(not that i know lol) & continue this during your track day & you'll find that even though it feels slower you will be quicker as smooth equals fast :thumbup

thanks a lot

Get used to moving around on the bike, there's plenty of room on the mille so slide your arse back a bit and hang off, just one cheek, your knee and push your upper body into the bend, get your braking done before you tip in and select the right gear for the speed, you dont want to be revving its nuts off or bogging down mid corner....open it up after the apex then on to the next one..

will try to take your advices to practice tomorrow on a track day. hopefully it will not rain. talking about rain should i change the tyre pressures i am used to on dry? i use 30/30 psi. should i go for something like 36/36? i have tyre warmers and have dunlop sportmax qualifiers II fitted

i must say it felt better but still overbraking