1060 Kit Question

i think it depends on what you want to do with your bike. race or street. for street i was very content with the stock mille and i'm thinking of buying another one just for street. mileage on mine was better than my rf 600r, 6 liters/100 kms at a cruise speed of 130-140 and an average speed of 100-110 outside the city, the sachs shocks feel better on the street/bumpy (not too bumpy though) roads than my ohlins and i feel it's more than enough for normal/sporty riding on the street.

I know we all love our Aprilias, but you do get to a point where you really are better off buying something newer, my RSV cost me £1750, £500 on mods has really cheered it up, but there is no way I could justify spending £2.5k on a big bore kit which wouldn't add anything to the resale value when I could buy an RC8 for £7.5k and if I was unlucky It might depreciate by £2k in 3 years (maybe less with the recent price increases on new bikes)..

redratbike said:

boys,

what Griff is saying is the airbox mod gives you the best "bang for buck" bhp improvement ..check the forsale link for the dyno results Griff arranged for the back to back dyno runs before he would sell the HOOKED kits himself so doesnt make the above comment lightly.

say you get 6bhp for £130 = £21.60 PER BHP

this coupled with a decent can and modded collector or a full system should see most people contented

then you get into the expensive bits...57mm throttle bodies,pc3/custom map,headwork,cams ,bigbore kits

people think beacause they pay more the gains will be greater where as in reality the cost outweigh the gains...probably better off sorting the suspension



pc3 = £250
custom map dyno =£150
headwork =£500
cams = £200
bigbore kit = ?

i got quoted £2300 for a ride in ride out 1060 conversion with all the above...but not 57mm throttle bodies

you can see it gets very expensive

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Eek I only paid £1700 for my 12,000 mile '03 Mille with new tyres,chain,sprockets,Carbon Scorpion can,carbon hugger and carbon front guard !

I really do feel that the majority of mortals would be better off dropping a few £100 on Maxton or KTech than going for squeezing more power out of the engine.
Although to be fair the airbox mod almost qualifies as a consumable replacement,albeit a one time only so that is obviously good value and proven.

If it's for track use then I can see the argument for an RC8 or a 1098 instead.

Still just as well we are all different,life would be very boring otherwise.

To each his own. Big bore and 1200cc+ stroker crank anybody?

I really am banging my head against a brickwall with this top end v mid range stuff!

Rather than riding around between 4-8,000rpm, try 6,000 - 10,000 rpm...

You still have the same width of powerband, but another 10bhp to go with it.
It's a bit like asking the mountain to come to Mohamed.

Your bike has the power, but you want it to come to you.

Try taking Mohamed to the mountain; keep a gear lower and relish the extra bhp, free of charge!

Fair comment

Personally I bought the Mille as I don't like buzzing about in too many revs.

There is something great about bursting out of corners and short shifting and keeping the bass noise booming. lol

Rgds

Mark

Believe it or not, I'm not that far away from you on that!

I grew up racing motocross (2 stroke) and my last 2 bikes were R6's; previous was a 2007 bike with Micron race system & PCIII.

I loved that bike and miss it loads but it just wasn't practical as I rode everywhere at 90%. The thrill I got was from carrying corner speed and keping it above 10k everywhere

I find huge satisfaction in working a small bike hard- you have to earn your speed and it rewards you.
A bad rider can't just point and squirt a 600.

I bought the Mille as I needed to slow down, and the fat old bus made that possible. I can just wobble along and squirt when required!

Also means my girlfriend can ride on the back of this one!

I just urge people to try using all the revs.

To spend £2,500 chasing another 10bhp seems criminal when maybe altering your riding style could release extra speed?

jon_melson said:

Believe it or not, I'm not that far away from you on that!

I grew up racing motocross (2 stroke) and my last 2 bikes were R6's; previous was a 2007 bike with Micron race system & PCIII.

I loved that bike and miss it loads but it just wasn't practical as I rode everywhere at 90%. The thrill I got was from carrying corner speed and keping it above 10k everywhere

I find huge satisfaction in working a small bike hard- you have to earn your speed and it rewards you.
A bad rider can't just point and squirt a 600.

I bought the Mille as I needed to slow down, and the fat old bus made that possible. I can just wobble along and squirt when required!

Also means my girlfriend can ride on the back of this one!

I just urge people to try using all the revs.

To spend £2,500 chasing another 10bhp seems criminal when maybe altering your riding style could release extra speed?

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fat old bus !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT HAVE I BOUGHT LOL I KNEW I SHOULD OF GOT A SPORTY HARLEY :devious

Lmao butch, good point.. my old brute's no RS250 in the fat department but then again she aint no Triumph Rocket III :biggrin :biggrin :biggrin

I just urge people to try using all the revs.

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i make you right ...the mille is a lazy bike and you can ride it reasonably fast without hitting high revs....

but once you do it becomes a different animal..i like the 6500-1000 range:devious...sometimes a bit too much and hit the rev limiter

try modding it a bit and removing the rev limiter... on a quarter mile the mille pisses over a hayabusa. trust me, in know what i'm saying.

If you seach the AF1 Forum, you'll see that big-bores typically lift the torque curve by 15%+ across the range. This gives a tapering increase in power up to the usual 10k and drops off thereafter. (There's no fixed value for this as few owners will fit the big bore without making a selection of other mods at the same time.)

Let's not delude ourselves. The V990 motor is basically 12+ years old now and when it comes to throwing dosh at our loved ones, we Aprilisti are the 'have nots' in comparison with the Ducatisti 'haves'. As power goes up, durability goes down.

Just take a look at the Buell Helicon (Rotax) engine for a look at what Aprilia's answer to the 1198 could have been if they'd have stayed with V-twins. (OK, so Buell have not gone for a suspersport tune, but the potential's there!).

BTW-1 - Are Ti rods actually stronger than steel? I thought that the reason for their use was that they are lighter for the same strength. (If anything, Ti is more ductile than steel, hence the need to renew them more frequently.)

BTW-2 - When you guys talk of 'hitting the rev limiter' are you talking about the 11k hard limiter, or some setting of the configurable warning light? IMHO, there's no benefit to be obtained from running a V990 to 11k!

agreed BRG, the motor is never going to be an 1198s beater. Good point on realiability - like any engine that has a little life breathed on it, the potential for failiyer become more prevelant. On your BTW1 statement yes you're right they are lighter and indeed not stronger hence for durability stainless is used. BTW2 - probably mean just before valve bounce co's the bike takes a real dive at this point as we all have experienced at some point or another (or is that just me ).

Deacs :thumbup

Had heard & it was just that , that the Buell Helicon (Rotax) was going to be brought by Aprilia but they hadn't got a ECU & Fuel managment system sorted for it & Aprilia wasn't keen to buy until it did . Because there is alot of time & effort to make it perfect & in the interim Buell said they would take them as they where & make their own system . It is well known that these bikes have very poor fueling with most dealers here not letting anyone ride them till they had put PCIII in them to sort it out . Now that Buell has gone sunny side up the CR-1125 Buell are selling here brand new for 17K down from 25k not a bad discount . I believe more reliable power can be had by porting & putting bigger valves into the heads than Big bore kitting & you'll still have a motor that will keep taking the punishment for years to come :thumbup

Hey Guys

Here's my bit, was going down this road until I thought about the $$$$$

For me to go down the BIG BORE road/inc porting etc is going to set me back around $4500............way too much.

Just as a reference, for me to trade it in (BOG standard) on the new 09 R1 will set me back another $13000 approx....... much more way to much

As I no longer care to update bikes anymore as I love the old girl, if and/or when she finally dies (29K miles) then I will simply invest and get the good stuff done, no sooner than that.

Cheers Pete :thumbup

It seems to me that some of you are not happy with your rsv so think you need a jap bike i got mine not for the top end i got it for the look and i did not whant the same as all the other bikes my mates ride plus i bet half of you cant use the power they got anyway i go out with boys on gsxr1000 and can stay with them so its more about what you can do not your bike you can spend £14000 k on an rsv4 but if you got no bottle whats the point thats my bit :dunno

lees rsv said:

It seems to me that some of you are not happy with your rsv so think you need a jap bike i got mine not for the top end i got it for the look and i did not whant the same as all the other bikes my mates ride plus i bet half of you cant use the power they got anyway i go out with boys on gsxr1000 and can stay with them so its more about what you can do not your bike you can spend £14000 k on an rsv4 but if you got no bottle whats the point thats my bit :dunno

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Here, here ................. I agree

Your all a bunch of SODS ............ whoops ...........id that wher we are going with this Lee?? :devious