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Hi Guys,

Does the 1060cc mod add any mid range or is it added HP at the top end?

My guess is that it adds HP all through but would like to know for sure. :thumbup

I'm guessing the additional torque is not great?

Many thanks

Rgds

Mark
 
why do you ask? added displacementm depending on how you have it tuned is gonig to add power everywhere all things equal. How much I'm not sure, but with a small bump like that I'd say 6-8hp and about 5 tq(s). :p
 
Hi - the reason I ask is that I would never really use the additional power if it were near the red line and could not justify the expense.

However if significant power was still made in the low/mid range, I'd consider it.

There was a comment earlier somewhere that the 1060 made the engine an oversquare nature planting the additional power up the top of the revs.

I'm no techy. I may end up ringing Southern Cross.

Rgds


Mark
 
I spoke to Andy at southern-x, on my 02 it would have been approx 8-10bhp and uses stronger pistons. There were many other variables, such as custom maps, porting, headwork, cams, etc with $$$$$ all the way up to 159bhp...

Not sure on the Edwards, the rods are stronger as they are based on the 'new' model so on that basis it makes a slightly better proposition (nowt wrong with normal Milles rods tho' apparently!)

Let me know what he quotes for the Edwards, always useful to know!

ta, jack
 
redratbike said:
edwards have titanium rods so much stonger and lighter:devious
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i'd be really supprised if they did mate , i know the part numbers are different but im pretty sure there just forged rods instead of cast.....or the other way round i cant remember....

big bore kits are great and they do give an improvement all through the rev range ...if you get lucky its a 15 % improvement ..if your racing then great, if its for road then is it worth the money?....dunno im afraid...it is quite a expensive mod to make for such a little gain. when a hooked airbox kit will do pretty much the same job for 1/10 of the cost!
 
Mark, why would you not use the power if it was at the top end?

A Mille only revs to 10,000rpm anyway, so getting additional power from 7,000 - 10,000 rpm would be very useful.

Anyone with experience from modern 600's has to keep the bike between 9,000- 15,000 rpm all the time.
It may seem daunting at first, but it really isn't hard.

If you're not currently using the top end you're already missing out on 10bhp.

The Mille already has good mid range but it seriously lacking at the top end, which people tell me is down to the small valves being unable to flow sufficient volumes- which does make sense.
 
I always thought big bore kits usually gave more torque and any power increase was a bonus generally as a result of unshrouding the valves slightly. :dunno

Unless other mods to ports ,cams etc were done as well, obviously it would then be a better platform to build on ( probably) albeit with a possible slightly lower rev limit?

I also seriously doubt the Edwards models had Titaniun rods as standard,forged maybe.
 
fusebox said:
i'd be really supprised if they did mate , i know the part numbers are different but im pretty sure there just forged rods instead of cast.....or the other way round i cant remember....

sorry ..am i thinking of the SP?

EDWARDS JUST HAVE REVISED STRONGER RODS:devious
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what do the new shape mille use are they tita because they are both the same price for edwrep and the newer model approx £150 more than haga rep and older
 
John,

As I don't race or do trackdays, my revs don't often hit the limiter but I do spend a lot of my time between 4-8000 revs on the road and just love the midrange grunt. If there is any more mid range to be had, I'll consider it. :)

Mark
 
fusebox said:
big bore kits are great and they do give an improvement all through the rev range ...if you get lucky its a 15 % improvement ..if your racing then great, if its for road then is it worth the money?....dunno im afraid...it is quite a expensive mod to make for such a little gain. when a hooked airbox kit will do pretty much the same job for 1/10 of the cost!
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Thats a pretty big statement............... your telling me that a hooked airbox kit will give me ........... say 10-15% gain in torque and bhp .

Does anyone have pre hooked and post hooked graphs to back this up ?
 
ausied said:
Thats a pretty big statement............... your telling me that a hooked airbox kit will give me ........... say 10-15% gain in torque and bhp .

Does anyone have pre hooked and post hooked graphs to back this up ?
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Griff was just being a bit sarcastic given that he's such a big fan of the hooked airbox. Can't blame him, they are an awesome bit of kit. I got mine over the pond and after the simple install I definitely felt a difference right away. I'm not an expert but I'd say I probably gained about 3-5 hp in the low and midrange...top end feels about the same. The sound is worth it alone. :devious ...I plan on getting her dyno tuned again next season.
 
Mr_Chow said:
Griff was just being a bit sarcastic given that he's such a big fan of the hooked airbox. Can't blame him, they are an awesome bit of kit. I got mine over the pond and after the simple install I definitely felt a difference right away. I'm not an expert but I'd say I probably gained about 3-5 hp in the low and midrange...top end feels about the same. The sound is worth it alone. :devious ...I plan on getting her dyno tuned again next season.
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Over enthusiastic fan he may be and in your opinion the hooked kit may be awesome , but is it any better than the evo kit I'm running ......... probably not

Are you an expert ? ........ probably not........................

Nah.............. me either !

Shame I didn't have the bike dyoned before fitting the evo air box , rsc ti end can , chip and pc111 because although it may have sounded better it probably didn't go better and after remapping it made a huge 118 hp but the midrange was stronger than before

Why are you planing to get the bike dynoed agin next season...... have you made some changes to warrant doing so ?
 
alright boys!!

enthusiastic yes!! sarcastic not in the slightest...

the airbox kit works craig has dyno graphs showing 6 -8 BHP in the midrange that are posted on the forum somewhere..dunno where but dont belive me boys ...e honest sceptical was my response at first but when you do the tests back to back like craig and i did.......the proof is right there!¬)


im simply trying to say yes you'll get 8-10 % alround with a big bore kit ...but at what cost...its a lot of money whatever way you look at it for a mediocre power heik....

EVO kits work super well too! no tested them yet but id love a test ed to work on!! any offers??
 
fusebox said:
alright boys!!

enthusiastic yes!! sarcastic not in the slightest...

the airbox kit works craig has dyno graphs showing 6 -8 BHP in the midrange that are posted on the forum somewhere..dunno where but dont belive me boys ...e honest sceptical was my response at first but when you do the tests back to back like craig and i did.......the proof is right there!¬)


im simply trying to say yes you'll get 8-10 % alround with a big bore kit ...but at what cost...its a lot of money whatever way you look at it for a mediocre power heik....

EVO kits work super well too! no tested them yet but id love a test ed to work on!! any offers??
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you may get a chance to test an evo against a hooked , where are you based and do you have access to a dyno >
 
tamworth in staffordshire and yes i have access to a Dyno mate!!:devious

buzzin!!
GRiff
 
I've done all the usual cost effective mods on my Edwards which puts out 130 BHP, 78 foot lbs torque at rear wheel (dyno print out is in my album if you want to examine).

(Chip, airbox (renegade), Power Commander custom tune, larger snorkels, it's already got 2 into 2 zorst and 57mm TB's).

So, as in life, the law diminishing returns starts to apply, i.e the more you want, the more it costs :) and hence the big bore is now left to consider. Albeit expensive.

Rgds

Mark
 
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redratbike said:
edwards have titanium rods so much stonger and lighter:devious
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as Griff says, not Titanium but they are Stainless whereas the rsv and r are steel.

Deacs :thumbup

redrat: I think you're right about the SP having Ti rods
 
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boys,

what Griff is saying is the airbox mod gives you the best "bang for buck" bhp improvement ..check the forsale link for the dyno results Griff arranged for the back to back dyno runs before he would sell the HOOKED kits himself so doesnt make the above comment lightly.

say you get 6bhp for £130 = £21.60 PER BHP

this coupled with a decent can and modded collector or a full system should see most people contented

then you get into the expensive bits...57mm throttle bodies,pc3/custom map,headwork,cams ,bigbore kits

people think beacause they pay more the gains will be greater where as in reality the cost outweigh the gains...probably better off sorting the suspension



pc3 = £250
custom map dyno =£150
headwork =£500
cams = £200
bigbore kit = ?

i got quoted £2300 for a ride in ride out 1060 conversion with all the above...but not 57mm throttle bodies

you can see it gets very expensive
 

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