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Tire warmers. recommendations and advice...

SteveR1

SteveR1

Joined Aug 2011
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West Sussex
Which to get? and why?? Which to avoid? and why??

Tips or procedure on use???

Just fitted some new supercorsa SP`s (190/55) which are most excellent. Going to be going on track for first time on the mille soo, and dont want to bake them.
Last time I went on track with these tires (ie the road version), the were very good on track. But never really felt the same after back on the road. I`m hoping that with warmers I can heat them up more gently, keep them hot between sessions (using only 1 heat cycle) and then let them cool gently after (warmers on unplugged)

Thoughts, advice, tips??
 
the more you spend the better you'll get so if you can stump for them the thermostatically controlled ones with the temp indicator on is fab. My HWW's have served me well (not thermo controlled unfortunately) until a mate of mine decided to spin the front wheel with them on and plugged in so now the power cable has been ripped out :rant but if you're on a budget have a look at the BikeIt ones they seem ok.
 
Cheers Deacs mate!
I`v never used them before, any tips? How long before do you need to put them on for?, I heard some racer say he has them on for two hours before he needs them!?? :/
 
generally I used to put them back on after each race / session, the thermostatically controlled ones are better in that they won't overheat the tyres. One thing I would say is if you're using the bike on the road as well just be careful not to heat the tyres too many times as they only have a finite amount of heating cycles :thumbup

Is this for racing or just TD's Steve? I'm not sure you really need them for TD's as a lap or 2 should heat the tyres enough for the session.
 
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it takes 15-20 minutes for the tyre to warm up. i have some no names for 100 EUR and they work 2nd season without prob. but they smell funny and it is quite irritating. the other cheapest alternatives were Biketech or MotoGP warmers. always choose the ones without the thermoregulation as it is the first thing to go wrong and also you never need any other temperature than the one which is set on the ones without the regulation (80 deg. celsius i think)
here you have some prices http://www.moto-performance.co.uk/bike-accessories-en/tyre-warmers-en.html i would go for the biketechs or choose somethin you see on the track mostly when you get there.
 
Deacs said:
generally I used to put them back on after each race / session, the thermostatically controlled ones are better in that they won't overheat the tyres. One thing I would say is if you're using the bike on the road as well just be careful not to heat the tyres too many times as they only have a finite amount of heating cycles :thumbup

Is this for racing or just TD's Steve? I'm not sure you really need them for TD's as a lap or 2 should heat the tyres enough for the session.
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overheat? lol when you ride them the temps are much higher than you heat them up also till you get to the track through the pits they get much colder than you initially heated them

Deacs said:
I'm not sure you really need them for TD's as a lap or 2 should heat the tyres enough for the session.
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it is quite a lot 2 laps when the session takes 7 laps only. if you are on a long track. since i got the warmers i am much more confident in the first corners after start so definitly worth the money - you will trust the tyres much more. the other side of the coin is that you need paddock stands if you don't own them already but those you can get for 50 EUR so still not much money for a lot more music :)
 
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being that we have tracks like mallory and brands indy (where the laptimes are sub 1min) and its generally a 20min session 2 laps is about right - but you knew that right!
 
Deacs said:
generally I used to put them back on after each race / session, the thermostatically controlled ones are better in that they won't overheat the tyres. One thing I would say is if you're using the bike on the road as well just be careful not to heat the tyres too many times as they only have a finite amount of heating cycles :thumbup

Is this for racing or just TD's Steve? I'm not sure you really need them for TD's as a lap or 2 should heat the tyres enough for the session.
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Deacs, cheers again..
Like ruck says surely they cant overheat the tires? they would just get to a certain pre-set temp and stay constant.
And yes they are my road tires, thats the main reason I want to get warmers, to warm gently and keep them warm inbetween sessions. See my original post...
As Last time they didnt feel right on the road afterwards...
Oh and yes just for trackdays ( would love to race, cant afford it :/ )

Ruck, thanks for the input dude. I wouldnt be able to afford the flash ones with the thermo gizmo anyway...
And yes 2 laps is quite along time to lose per session, even though like deac says most of our tracks are less than 2min laps. But mainly i just dont like the idea of going out on cold ones, heating them up harshly (even two laps at 2mins is just 4mins from cold to very hot) then letting them get cold again before repeating..
 
80 degrees on warmers will drop by 20 or so at least sitting in the pit lane waiting to be flagged out, so I'll side with Deacs on this and agree 2 full laps of a shortish circuit before giving it full berries on road tyres. Race compounds will warm quicker, and retain heat more. You'll obviously realise one side will get hotter first depending on the track, hence so many spills at Graham Hill bend, Brands.

Track temp obviously makes a difference. At Gaudix a mate had road Supercorsas gently simmering at 85 degrees in the garage, one session later they had dropped to 60 degrees straight off the track. Was snowing there mind....

I've used non thermostatically controlled BikeTechs for years, never had a problem.
 
race compounds will heat slower imho. they need more load to get to the temp as well that is the reason for using tyre warmers in fact...
 
Sorry fella disagree, I've ran Racetechs in treaded (K2 compound) & slick (K1f/K2r) format on the same day & the slicks definitely got hotter quicker, and retained that heat longer.
 
if that were truth you would need only 1 lap to get the slicks from full cold to operating temperature coz road race tyres need 2 laps...
slicks = more contact patch = more friction = more heat => should be heated much quicker than road tyres. are they?
 
Hmm cheers paul. But I would tend to agree with ruck on this surely?
I mean the track tires are designed for a higher operating temp, while road tires have silica to aid heating and are designed to work at lower temps while retaining heat between bends (not one after the other like track)
or not??? :/

But then you say you have experienced different?
The sc1 scrubs I just binned definitely took alot more heating up than the sp road versions I just stuck on ( on the road)
 
Just my 2 pence worth, i use the digi moto gp ones on my racetecs, allways have them on for at least 45 mins befor going out to make sure they get some heat into the rim and not just the tyre, retain the heat better then, when yer waiting to go out on track from pit lane etc, like the ability to adjust the temp of the warmers to suit the conditions also. Got mine from a ebay seller some time back for £135 delivered, much cheaper than anywhere else, but the chap dosen't seem to have them up for sale very often, been a while now since i've seen them , allways looking to get another set though.
 
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Pretty pointless really. I'll stand by what I've experienced, others disagree in theory.
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Wasnt disrespecting you mate!
Its a discussion!
Just from what I understand about tire design (design in general even ) Is everything is a compromise to best suit its use. Ie optimum operating temp, warm up time, heat retention, tread pattern, etc etc etc is engineered into the tire. So a raod tire needs to -warm quickly, - retain heat, - reach optimum grip at lower temperatures, - perform consistently over many smalll (be it less extreme) heat cycles. For a race/ track version/compound some of these qualities maybe be compromised for - higher levels of grip, -higher optimum temperature range.
Which is why I guess it seemed odd tis all! :D

Warms - cheers for that mate I`ll keep my eye out on the bay!!
 
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