Joined Oct 2010
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bristol
Was bit wet this side of the bridge today John but me and gilo went out for a quick spin. Gilo has about the same amount of tread on his back wheel that we have hair on our heads. I did have a quick go on a Gen 2 though from crickhowell to Abergavenny
Joined Oct 2010
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Bristol
As Bay said, my rear hoop is proper mullered. The rubber down the middle is all cracked and not far off the canvas, time to shell out for some Dunlop Sportmaxes methinks :thumbup
Heading back to Bris after a coffee at Bay's (and admiring his extension.....) I was having a play with some sort of hot Audi on the Mway onto the M4 (forget what it's called) and as I came past him on a long sweeping bend at 120 I suddenly remembered I had a shot rear tyre...ooops!
Bay's Tuoldo Racing felt very nice indeed for an 8 year old bike, proper sorted. Ridden Windy's Tuoldo as well and the main difference is both of them fuel so much better at low revs (sub 3,000rpm) than mine, mine's rough as arseholes. It's on map 2 (well suppposedly..), but I have heard the Mivv GP cans really need a PC3 and custom map to sort the fuelling properly. That's £600-odd I'd rather spend on the suspension, but may have to bite the bullet on that one..
Heading back to Bris after a coffee at Bay's (and admiring his extension.....) I was having a play with some sort of hot Audi on the Mway onto the M4 (forget what it's called) and as I came past him on a long sweeping bend at 120 I suddenly remembered I had a shot rear tyre...ooops!
Bay's Tuoldo Racing felt very nice indeed for an 8 year old bike, proper sorted. Ridden Windy's Tuoldo as well and the main difference is both of them fuel so much better at low revs (sub 3,000rpm) than mine, mine's rough as arseholes. It's on map 2 (well suppposedly..), but I have heard the Mivv GP cans really need a PC3 and custom map to sort the fuelling properly. That's £600-odd I'd rather spend on the suspension, but may have to bite the bullet on that one..
Ok Rico here goes the reply on the main differences but I'm sure you'll prob know most of them anyway
1. As Giles said fauelling on mine is smoothe all through rev range even down low so town riding is a doddle. On Giles' its a bit jumpy. I've just had a new exhaust on mine and hasn't affected how smoothe it is at all. I've got 2 chips with mine which have to be altered depending whether or not you have a baffled pipe in or an open race pipe. I've always had the race chip in though which I think people said makes the fuelling more rich. People have said theres a flat spot on the Gen 1's about 6k revs but I had mine up to about 10k yesterday and I've not detected any flat spots until I take my hand off the throttle.
2. Mine felt a bit taller in the saddle and lower at the front. I think previous owner has dropped the frame down the forks a little so theres 3 rings showing. Looked at Giles when I got off made the point his felt more upright and noticed not as much of his fork legs were showing which could have made all the difference. Mine I think even though I've got decent rubber on felt a lot twichier than Giles. Looking to go the Griffs and get the suspension sorted out properly in next few months though. Probably on the track that twitchiness would be fantastic but at the road speeds yesterday the Gen 2 felt a bit more composed.
3. You seem to sit more into the bike on the Gen 2 rather than on it with the Gen 1.
On the five mile country road run I had on it though the differences are that miniscule that you'd never say that there was 7 years difference between the bikes they're that similar. I would definitely have to get that fuelling sorted though as Giles has said. Not been riding bikes for a huge amount of time as has most people on here but compared out of the bikes I've owned the Tuono is the smoothest through town and at low revs. Next comes the Suzuki GSXR 1000 and then the BMW R1200S which did have a slight fuelling issue at low revs. Nothing like the Gen 2 but I'm sure like Giles has said its the MIVV's creating it. Possibly due to it being on a MAP 2 and still having the baffles in. Thats an idea Giles take the baffles out and see how it runs. It might be loud as but see if it makes a difference at low revs.
Hope that makes sense Rico.
What bike do you ride Rico and have you ridden both Generations
Joined Jun 2009
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North East Ricoland
Cheers B min.....58 Gen 2 for me and had 04 RSV-R for a good whiley before. Haven,t ridden Tuoldo at all but have done the older Mille (but I guess not exactly the same thing.).
The low revs fuelling issue disnae really bother me much at all, have jist got used tae it ah guess. Ah do remember picking up my RSV and thinkin what the f.ck have I jist gone and done as I tried to get home through the 5mph rush hour traffic! Thought it was terrible at first. But once oot on the open road...ooch ya boy.. way tae go!
The low revs fuelling issue disnae really bother me much at all, have jist got used tae it ah guess. Ah do remember picking up my RSV and thinkin what the f.ck have I jist gone and done as I tried to get home through the 5mph rush hour traffic! Thought it was terrible at first. But once oot on the open road...ooch ya boy.. way tae go!
Funny that though eh with regards the fuelling. Once accelerating or past 4k revs it just totally went. You'd think with what everyone said that its a more powerful ECU in the Gen 2 and its looks a throttle position so many more times per second than the Gen 1 that it'd be way smoother and its not the case.
Gen 2 had a much slicker gearbox than my gen 1 though. I remember Windy mentioning his gearbox was clubky on his Gen 1. I thought mine was ok and I suppose it is but much easier to snick it into gears on the Gen 2 also.
Gen 2 had a much slicker gearbox than my gen 1 though. I remember Windy mentioning his gearbox was clubky on his Gen 1. I thought mine was ok and I suppose it is but much easier to snick it into gears on the Gen 2 also.
Joined Feb 2009
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The Frozen ******* Wasteland!
Going to learn how to use my GoPro and get a mount for my DVD cam this summer and hopefully be able to supply some fun summer vids like that.
-28C right now, so it will be a little while coming.
-28C right now, so it will be a little while coming.
Joined Jul 2008
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North Lincolnshire, UK
The gearbox differences are most likely due to mileage, the Rotax is a clunky bitch when new, but gets better with a few miles - assuming both chains are properly adjusted, if it's too tight it affects the gearbox.
The Tuoldo does feel arse up and tall compared to a Gen 2, regardless of where you have your forks - they are slightly bigger frames etc.
Engine - the Gen 2 is normally smoother than the Gen 1 (running Map 2 on both) the flat spot is 5-6k - your revised chip probably masks this. It is noticeable as a hesitation as you hit the gas from low revs, then you get 6k and the front wheel leaves the floor. After even a few weeks you instinctively ride around it and don't notice it. If Gilo's is lumpy it probably needs setting up properly - go see Griff. It could be TB's etc.
My Tuoldo with an airbox, PCIII and Akra 2+2 system, was pretty much identical in engine characteristics to Liz's Gen 2. My Factory has an airbox and Ape Ti cans and eats either on track. On the road, the differences aren't worth mentioning, it's all at the top end and how often can you really stay on full throttle?
PS - unlike some recent posters I can tell the difference the expensive ***** makes, and arrive at the cafe with my mates for a sarnie - but then again I have some mates.
The Tuoldo does feel arse up and tall compared to a Gen 2, regardless of where you have your forks - they are slightly bigger frames etc.
Engine - the Gen 2 is normally smoother than the Gen 1 (running Map 2 on both) the flat spot is 5-6k - your revised chip probably masks this. It is noticeable as a hesitation as you hit the gas from low revs, then you get 6k and the front wheel leaves the floor. After even a few weeks you instinctively ride around it and don't notice it. If Gilo's is lumpy it probably needs setting up properly - go see Griff. It could be TB's etc.
My Tuoldo with an airbox, PCIII and Akra 2+2 system, was pretty much identical in engine characteristics to Liz's Gen 2. My Factory has an airbox and Ape Ti cans and eats either on track. On the road, the differences aren't worth mentioning, it's all at the top end and how often can you really stay on full throttle?
PS - unlike some recent posters I can tell the difference the expensive ***** makes, and arrive at the cafe with my mates for a sarnie - but then again I have some mates.
Joined Oct 2010
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Bristol
Bat - mine's pretty bad around 3,000rpm. I struggle to hold a steady throttle at those revs (i.e. 30mph-ish in town), it surges and shakes like a bugger. Below and above that all is sweetness and light.
I reckon a trip to see Griff may be in order, could do with geting my suspension set up properly too. :thumbup
I reckon a trip to see Griff may be in order, could do with geting my suspension set up properly too. :thumbup
Joined Jul 2008
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North Lincolnshire, UK
Summat's up then - 3k is the point at which ours start to run OK. Does take a little bit of practice though.
Batfastard my chain has the right amount of tension in it and i wouldn't say my gear box is clunky but gilos just felt that little bit snickier if that word makes sense. Seemed to have to give mine a bit more effort to change gear. Any idea what that might be. 1st to 2nd can sometimes be a bit crunchy and then sometimes go in smoothly.
Ps didn't understand your ps
Ps didn't understand your ps
Joined Jul 2008
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U.K.
If your clutch oil is black then......................
Lid off open bleeder at bottom and let drain , at the same time refilling the master.
when clean comes out the bleeder then lock up ,top up and lid on.
Operate clutch lever a few times and should settle.
Then you should have easier/quieter shift.
Lid off open bleeder at bottom and let drain , at the same time refilling the master.
when clean comes out the bleeder then lock up ,top up and lid on.
Operate clutch lever a few times and should settle.
Then you should have easier/quieter shift.