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Are they still going to run 250's for the first season of the new class moto2 as they did with the 500's in the first season of moto gp?
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i thought moto2 was 250 4 strokes i've heard mz have set the fastest lap last wek in test
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Honda 600cc engines with one off chasis.
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did'nt think they was goin up to that bigger cc
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Deffo 600's mate:thumbup
MotoGP BasicsMoto2What is Moto2?
A new 4-stroke MotoGP World Championship class was announced on 11th December 2008 and is set to replace the 250cc category from 2010.
Taking the name of Moto2, this new category is intended to be a prestigious yet cost-effective accompaniment to the premier class of MotoGP.
Some of the key characteristics of this new category of Grand Prix racing will be the single engine supplier and a single tyre supplier. Honda Racing Corporation was chosen as the engine supplier, while Dunlop, currently present in the 125 and 250cc World Championships are to provide the tyres.
Technical specifications
Powered by a one-make 600cc 4-stroke engine, producing around 150hp, the Moto2 class will continue the 250cc series' pursuit of developmental excellence with the running of a prototype chassis -free from limitation.
No production bike parts will be permitted for the frame, swing arm, fuel tank, seat or cowling, meaning that these aspects of the machine will be left to the manufacturer and designers. discretion.
However, electronic systems will be more limited than those currently permitted in 250cc, which has seen select factories bringing in traction control in recent years. Moto2 rules will allow for data loggers, ECU and timing transponders supplied by the organiser, with a maximum total cost of the ECU's components set at 650 euros. No other electronic control, nor datalogging systems, will be present on the bikes.
MotoGP BasicsMoto2What is Moto2?
A new 4-stroke MotoGP World Championship class was announced on 11th December 2008 and is set to replace the 250cc category from 2010.
Taking the name of Moto2, this new category is intended to be a prestigious yet cost-effective accompaniment to the premier class of MotoGP.
Some of the key characteristics of this new category of Grand Prix racing will be the single engine supplier and a single tyre supplier. Honda Racing Corporation was chosen as the engine supplier, while Dunlop, currently present in the 125 and 250cc World Championships are to provide the tyres.
Technical specifications
Powered by a one-make 600cc 4-stroke engine, producing around 150hp, the Moto2 class will continue the 250cc series' pursuit of developmental excellence with the running of a prototype chassis -free from limitation.
No production bike parts will be permitted for the frame, swing arm, fuel tank, seat or cowling, meaning that these aspects of the machine will be left to the manufacturer and designers. discretion.
However, electronic systems will be more limited than those currently permitted in 250cc, which has seen select factories bringing in traction control in recent years. Moto2 rules will allow for data loggers, ECU and timing transponders supplied by the organiser, with a maximum total cost of the ECU's components set at 650 euros. No other electronic control, nor datalogging systems, will be present on the bikes.
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The 600cc Honda engine to be used in Moto2 is a standard road going CBR600RR engine with race kit parts boosting power and revs.
In 2011 it is proposed that MotoGP will go the same way, using 1000cc production based engines such as R1, GSXR, etc.....and fitted with race kit parts again to boost power and revs.
This is part of a series of cost cutting measures to be introduced
In 2011 it is proposed that MotoGP will go the same way, using 1000cc production based engines such as R1, GSXR, etc.....and fitted with race kit parts again to boost power and revs.
This is part of a series of cost cutting measures to be introduced
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just asked because was watching some clips of moto2 testing on you tube and it looked and sounded as if there was a couple of 250's testing.
so was thinking how many bike's will there be on the grid if it's just the new class?
so was thinking how many bike's will there be on the grid if it's just the new class?
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They've managed to fill the grid and even have teams on standby should others not be able to fulfill their commitments. Will miss the 250's and I'm against the idea of MOTO GP going the same way. These are prototype machines that should be allowed to do what they want within reason. Giving standard engines restricts development and that has a knock on effect to the consumers i.e us.
At the end of the day if it ain't broke don't fix it, if people can't afford it that's just too bad.
At the end of the day if it ain't broke don't fix it, if people can't afford it that's just too bad.
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They've been allowing them to compete against each other for testing and comparison for quite a while now, mainly in national championships
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The idea was cost cutting, the hope was that by sticking a proddy lump in a bespoke frame it would cost less but retain interesting design concepts re frame steering running gear.
That has not so far been the case. MZ wisely got hold of a Ten Kate CBR and simply adapted it, rather than ripping the lump out of a new CBR and designing around it. As a result they have been much the quickest (and cheapest) in testing. Anyone insterested in designing around the lump check http://bottpower.com/eng/ to see how one guy started from scratch.
From 2011 the GP top class rules change again, and along with the death of strokers at 250, no one can enter a two stroke on the new 1000cc grid. Its a huge mistake, the most significant moto engineering developments in the last three years have been on a new generation of DI strokers. :thumbup I would love to see them racing against four strokes in the premier class in a few years time. But that is not in the interests of manufacturers who opted out of stroker development. Interestingly, car manufacturers have been doing more stroker R&D than bike manufacturers. But the big stroker will be reborn and when it happens it will embarass people like Honda (aka Dorna) who gave up on the technology. I can't wait.
That has not so far been the case. MZ wisely got hold of a Ten Kate CBR and simply adapted it, rather than ripping the lump out of a new CBR and designing around it. As a result they have been much the quickest (and cheapest) in testing. Anyone insterested in designing around the lump check http://bottpower.com/eng/ to see how one guy started from scratch.
From 2011 the GP top class rules change again, and along with the death of strokers at 250, no one can enter a two stroke on the new 1000cc grid. Its a huge mistake, the most significant moto engineering developments in the last three years have been on a new generation of DI strokers. :thumbup I would love to see them racing against four strokes in the premier class in a few years time. But that is not in the interests of manufacturers who opted out of stroker development. Interestingly, car manufacturers have been doing more stroker R&D than bike manufacturers. But the big stroker will be reborn and when it happens it will embarass people like Honda (aka Dorna) who gave up on the technology. I can't wait.
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Does this mean we'll see Wartburg make a comeback?:doug
You're bang on about DI strokers mate - ultimately cleaner and more efficient when they're perfected, definitely the future - as long as they can get past the commercial interests ranged against them, as you say.
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2 stroke engines are confined to history books i'm afraid.
MotoGP will go highly tuned production based engines in 2011, still with prototype chassis for each manufacturer. WSBK will adopt a lower state of engine tune running production bikes with uprated chassis, brakes and electronics. National Superbike championships such as BSB will run stock production engines with uprated chassis, brakes and electoronics although probably to a lesser degree than WSBK
MotoGP will go highly tuned production based engines in 2011, still with prototype chassis for each manufacturer. WSBK will adopt a lower state of engine tune running production bikes with uprated chassis, brakes and electronics. National Superbike championships such as BSB will run stock production engines with uprated chassis, brakes and electoronics although probably to a lesser degree than WSBK
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the MZ was the fastest and they used an old wss chassis...once testing is complete they will build a trellis frame to match the flexing/stresses that the current modified one has..
all the one off frames have been built too stiff..this along with the superstiff control tyre has given them all frontend "chatter"....the MZ chassis flex's so doesnt suffer as bad hence there fastest times
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Well this mutha begs to differ.
(Largest lump in the world (marine diesel) - all the new big ones are strokers.)
Ford & VW Audi would also beg to differ. The latest DI strokers are half the weight and a shed load more powerful than four stroke equivalents, and they are clean.
If the amount of r&d that had gone into fours strokes had been applied to two strokes you'd be looking at 1000cc 200 bhp 150 kilos kerb weight as standard.
They'll be back.
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