MAP1, MAP2 or PCIII

im also interested in this if anyone can help:cheersplease:thumbup
ive been told that its fine on map 1 with baffles in and should only be on map 2 if its open(race) bye an aprilia dealer but ive read so many differant things relating to this

mines on map 2 with the baffles in and runs fine . also i think its 30 quid a can if you get nicked for noise , going up to 60 per can been told

Lock said:

Just got a second hand 2008 Tuono Factory that's come with a set of Akras on. The previous owner had the cans without the DB Killers in and he said it had been setup to MAP 2 in the ECU.

Rode the bike home and thought the bike was a little loud! So i slipped in the DB killers today. Seems to ride fine (although saying that i'm still getting used to it), just a little lumpy on tickover.




So question is, for the AKRAs with the DB killers in, should it be MAP2, MAP1 or is the only true way of setting it up a PCIII?

Also whats the law on noisey pipes? The cans are E marked, but if the the DB killers are out and your stopped with loud cans, whats the penalty (or likelihood of penalty).

Cheers

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I took the original pipes off an Rsvr I had and put cans with removable baffles on.
It was more 'lumpy' than before with or without the baffles. I had map 2 done and it ran as it should, ie as with the factory standard exhaust fitted, again with or without baffles, but sounding miles better.[my Quill cans sound pretty much the same with or without the baffles so I leave them in = no plod probs] I had no need to fit the 15th front sprocket as I was happy with the performance around town and at speed. I will be doing the same with my new Tuono.

I think the general opinion is, none standard or open cans = map 2.

I've got a set of arrow cans on my 07 (without baffles, F**kin loud!) and thats running on map 2. Was told by the dealer who did it that if the map isn't changed with non standard cans it can do some engine damage eventually, not too sure how true this is but not worth the risk, and its definitely better now...although even juicier!
He also said that the only difference between map 1 and 2 is that map 2 turns off the lambda sensors so the engine wont run so lean up to about 4k.
Anyway like I said much more responsive now, although you can't beat a PCIII.

Map 1 = Standard cans (Baffled) This is how the bike will arrive from Italy, always a good idea to run the engine in on this setting, or at least for the first 600 miles ! and this setting is possibly the best setting for everyday use on the road.
Map 2 = Race cans ie Akra or Arrow etc without db killers in. This setting is for track etc, but most of us run this set up on the road, as we love loud pipes and the sharper performance !
There is a possibility of damage if these above set ups are mixed up ! but I would presume it would be dependant on how hard the engine was worked and for how long !
I am not lover of Power Commanders, some people swear by them, however as on the Tuono (06 on) Map 2 with open cans is perfect, (for me that is maybe not for everyone) as developed by Aprilia at the factory.

With regard to the law on pipes.....it is simple, if you get an anal plod, with a db tester in the squad car and he does the test, then it will not matter whether you have e markings or baffles in or out if it is too loud then you will get a fine plus a rectification ticket. This means that you will have to submit your bike at an MOT station for testing. Having replace the standard pipes and set up, if your bike then passes the MOT station will stamp your rectification certificate and you must present this to the station specified at the time of the offence ! Failure to comply with this could ( and I stress could ) result in you bike being seized and scrapped........I again stress this is the worst case senario !
Oh and you only get 7 days from date of the offence to presentation of the stamped certificate.

Like Tifa stated in another thread You take your choice and run the risk

A good tip though always if buying a second hand machine get the standard unmolested pipes !

Hello everyone, my first post on this site.

Map 2 is for aftermarket pipes with or without db killers. Map 1 is for the stock pipes with cat converter. I've had 3 tuono's on the various maps/pipes, and Map 2 running akras with the db killers in is a vast improvement, with a much smoother throttle response at low revs.

Combine this with a 15t front sprocket and the bike is what aprilia really meant it to be.

Rockpile10 said:

Hello everyone, my first post on this site.

Map 2 is for aftermarket pipes with or without db killers. Map 1 is for the stock pipes with cat converter. I've had 3 tuono's on the various maps/pipes, and Map 2 running akras with the db killers in is a vast improvement, with a much smoother throttle response at low revs.

Combine this with a 15t front sprocket and the bike is what aprilia really meant it to be.

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Ey up Rockpile

Can you keep the same chain if you swap sprox?

The chain remains the same so its quick and simple.

When you think about, the Factory comes supplied with the 15t as an accessory and all the tuono's have map 1 and 2 built in, so I think the terrible Map 1 and the 16t standard sprocket are more to do with EU regs, and Aprilia really meant for the bike to be map 2 and 15t front sprocket.

Some go for a larger rear sprocked (a 42t), but this makes it a bit much of a wheelie machine for my liking. The 15t on the front just makes it a bit easier around town and sharpens up the acceleration a bit.:thumbup

Rockpile10 said:

The chain remains the same so its quick and simple.

When you think about, the Factory comes supplied with the 15t as an accessory and all the tuono's have map 1 and 2 built in, so I think the terrible Map 1 and the 16t standard sprocket are more to do with EU regs, and Aprilia really meant for the bike to be map 2 and 15t front sprocket.

Some go for a larger rear sprocked (a 42t), but this makes it a bit much of a wheelie machine for my liking. The 15t on the front just makes it a bit easier around town and sharpens up the acceleration a bit.:thumbup

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Cheers, might do a bit of spannerin this weekend.:eek

:banghead:bangheadthis is so sooo confusing:noive spoke to the aprilia dealer i bought my bike from and was told to leave on map1 if im going to be running aftermarket pipes with baffles in,so many differant answers,what does one do:megaphone

Lock said:

Exactly why i asked the question! May try taking my DB Killers back out and see if it makes it run any different, was just concious of the noise!!

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Trust me I've done it. After market cans = map 2. You can have your baffles in or out. It will run perfectly.:thumbup

The mapping thing always causes confusiouses. If I'm wrong you can have your money back:lol

I copied this from an Aprilia expert elsewhere and is the best expalnation of maps i have found. I hope the guy in question doesnt mind my reproducing it, but he posted it on another forum for anyone to read and use and is very happy to help out so i cant see a problem. I hope its of some use to a few of you.

This only applies to 04-09 RSVR & 06-09 Tuono equipped with the Siemens/VDO engine management.

Map-1 or Map-2 and exhaust:
Aprilia included the option of switching the ECU mapping between two modes.
Engine variant 1, aka Map-1 and engine variant 2 or Map-2.

The bikes are shipped with Map-1 enabled as standard.
This is a closed loop mode that uses the Lambda exhaust probe to help maintain a lean A/F ratio for low exhaust emissions. This mode is tuned to work with the stock mufflers as they have inbuilt Cat converters.

Map-2 is for use with racing mufflers and exhausts without Cat converters. It is tuned for performance and is not emissions friendly. It does not use the Lambda (runs in open loop mode).
Though it is not used, the probe must remain connected.

ECU Software updates:
The software or firmware in the ECU can also be updated whenever Aprilia releases a revised/improved version.
Each of these software updates can be switched between Map-1 and Map-2.

After updating the ECU, the Throttle Bodies may need to be re-synchronized and idle fuel mixture adjusted with a CO meter if you have an 04 RSV with the very ealy ECU software.
Be sure to probe each cylinder at the header test ports (not at the muffler outlets).

There is a password available only to dealers, this password allows access that will permit adjusting the individual cylinders fuel mixture with the AXONE. On some bikes, this may improve how the throttle responds from idle to midrange.

The AXONE checks to see if you have selected a compatible map before proceeding with the update. It will not allow loading software versions not meant for that model bike.

ECU software versions:
The latest AXONE software currently available is 7.0.1 and includes all the maps listed bellow:

software for early 04-RSVR with three wire timing sensor, AXONE ≥ 5.0.4
-664582 was the first generation map, ran poorly when switched to map-2
-664584 (file VD5G684$.BIX) first update and worked very well (first available with AXONE 5.0.2)
-664586 (file VD5G68B$.BIX) same as the map shipped with 2005 bikes
-664588 (file VD5G68Z$.BIX) map specifically to work with the EVO-6 race only pipe

software for later 04-RSVR with two wire timing sensor and 05-RSVR, AXONE ≥ 5.0.4
-664583 (file VD5L683$.BIX) same as 664584, originally installed in the later 04 bikes
-664585 (file VD5L68A$.BIX) same as 664586, originally installed in the 2005 bikes
-664587 (file VD5L68X$.BIX) same as 664588, for use with EVO-6 pipe

software for 06-09 RSVR, requires AXONE ≥ 5.0.6
-266536 (file VD5L980$.BIX) originally installed, no updates currently available
-266538 (file VD5L981$.BIX) for use with EVO-6 pipe

software for 06-Tuono (US 07), requires AXONE ≥ 5.0.6
-266531 original map shipped with early production, had issues with throttle response
-266532 (file VC5L980$.BIX) is the first update

software for the 07- 09 Tuono (US 07.5), requires AXONE ≥ 5.1.1
-266533 (file VC5L981$.BIX) original map shipped
-266534 (file VC5L982$.BIX) for use with EVO-6 pipe

A replacement ECU is usually empty, without any map and must be uploaded with the appropriate map and re-initialized before it is functional.

PC3 precautions:
Before installing a PC3, the closed loop mode must be disabled by switching to engine variant 2 (Map-2).
If you don’t do this, the ECU will sense the modified A/F ratio (via Lambda probe) and attempt to lean it back out.

Since there are so many Aprilia ECU maps, and without the AXONE no one knows what bike has what map, you must be careful when installing a PC3 and downloading a map from Dyno Jet or off your friend’s bike.

The PC3 map is an add-on to the ECU map, a PC3 map from another bike that has down level ECU software will not be correct for a bike with updated ECU software.

Always have your PC3 installed and custom mapped after setting the ECU to Map-2.

I hope this will help clear up some of the confusion.


(this info is current as of 05/15/09)

Great Post Trevallion ! Good Info :thumbup

Super stuff Professor Trevallion.:thumbup
Things were easy when we just had carbs to fettle tho ehh!:yes
All we needed then was a kitchen table and a brew :yes

johny said:

im also interested in this if anyone can help:cheersplease:thumbup
ive been told that its fine on map 1 with baffles in and should only be on map 2 if its open(race) bye an aprilia dealer but ive read so many differant things relating to this

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Sorry but I think your dealer is wrong. AF1 racing (aprilia dealer, aprilia race team and generally acknowledged as proper experts) confirm that Map 2 is for aftermarket pipes with or without db killers.

Then there is my own personal experience that Map 2 is way better than map 1 with akrapovic end cans while leaving the removable baffles in.

This brings on the topic of rubbish UK dealers. I avoid a dealer in the north east who i've found to be disinterested and clueless and take my bike to the north west. Buts that's another story.

Rockpile10 said:

Sorry but I think your dealer is wrong. AF1 racing (aprilia dealer, aprilia race team and generally acknowledged as proper experts) confirm that Map 2 is for aftermarket pipes with or without db killers.

Then there is my own personal experience that Map 2 is way better than map 1 with akrapovic end cans while leaving the removable baffles in.

This brings on the topic of rubbish UK dealers. I avoid a dealer in the north east who i've found to be disinterested and clueless and take my bike to the north west. Buts that's another story.

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yep ,i agree and have had contact with AF1 this week and can confirm what youve said is correct,
what i have been trying to find out is,can i SAFELY run it on map 1 long term without causing any damage to the bike if having baffles in,IM NOT LOOKING FOR MORE POWER just want to safely run the non standard cans as its impossible for me to get the map changed for some time because of where i live,if i cant run them SAFELY i would rather leave on the standard cans,
i only really want looks and a little more noise,
i also spoke to quill exhausts and they told me there exhausts was designed to run on map 1 and thats where they spent loads of time on rollers to get the match perfect,if this is the map they built the exhausts around wouldnt it be ok to run VERY SAFELY on it long term without damage or wear,:yes:no


:cheersjohny

Interesting read.

I installed a set of Akras on Sunday and the baffles were fooked and wouldnt fit in properly, so I rode off without. Sounds very loud - not sure whether I want the baffles in now!

Anyway, I took it to be mapped at a dyno centre in London, but unfortunately he didn't have the equipment for it (thinking I had a PCIII). Anyway, we did the dyno run regardless, as I wanted to see how the engine was dealing with the new addition. I've attached a pdf of the dyno which was done last night.

Runs a little lean at the useable/commuting in town power, and I would like to get it a little better placed within the lines. Now I don't have much cash (hence the second hand pipes), but how much do the dealers charge just to switch to map 2 - or is there any other way of doing this through a normal motorcycle mechanic (ie, what does he need, or are there any other compatible pieces of hardware/software for the aprillia?)

Any suggestions, as I would like to get map 2 as soon as really. :thumbup

Attachment? hmm hasnt attached!