having a few problems with the 03 mille. bought it about 4 weeks ago with no problems. last week i took it out for a run, on my return i switched off the key but bike kept trying to turn over till battery drained. i charged the battery and put it back on the bike. same thing happened. i bought a new battery and charged it put it on the bike but then starter motor wouldnt turn over. after about 7 presses of the button it eventually turned over and started. left it running to warm up for 15 mins, all fans worked as normal. tried to turn the key to switch off and same thing happened, kept trying to turn over. i then left the bike for 2 hours and started it again with no problems this time. turned it off with key and switched off no problem. started it again straight away, left it for 20 mins ticking over and same thing happened again (kept trying to turn over) does anyone know if this is a common fault or does anyone know what the fault could be. i believe its an electric fault and am going to check all electrics this weekend.
Hi mate,
Sounds like you may have either a sticky starter switch/button or a sticky starter solenoid.
Firstly I would lift off the riders seat and unplug the two pin connector plug at the solenoid. Connect your test meter across the connector loom leading up to the switch not the solenoid.
Turn the ignition on: (If your bike turns over at this point then the starter solenoid has failed)
Operate the starter button and make sure it supplies 12V when operated and 0V when let go.
If this is correct then your switch is fine and you have a failed starter solenoid.
You can get the solenoid's off Ebay but I would recommend that you don't and buy the Yamaha solenoid as an upgrade option. Do a search on the forum for it and you'll see it can be an issue.
Just ask if you have any further questions.
:doug
Chances are from what you're saying that it's the starter solenoid. However it is always best to check that the starter button is OK as this has been known to cause issues such as this.
It could be drawing a feed from elsewhere and distort the actual perception of the problem.
hi guys, was gunna borrow a meter off a neighbour but he was working late. the guy i work with told me to inspect the starter relay switch. i unbolted it and unpluged it. he told me connect the 2 main wires using a meal object and the bike should kick. which it did, with and without the ignition swithed on because it obviously has a permanent live. unfortunatly there wasnt much life left in the battery so couldnt test it fully. but i did connect the relay back up and test it with the ingnition switch and all it did was click. i took it off again and touched the contacts and there was a small turn over before battery died. does it sound like this is the problem?
Hi mate,
As the guys have said sounds like the startor solenoid, i have an 02 rsvr and had to change mine last week.Found this from as prev post it sorted me out and buy the sounds of it youve proved it now. ( its a well known fault :rant) Replace with an uprated Yamaha starter solenoid, part number 4KD81940-00, about £29 from any yamaha dealer.
Regards Craig :thumbup
hi craig, do you mind if i ask if yours was doing the same? was it continuing to turn over after you switched it off? when i took it off the bike i noticed some orange powder coming from under the rubber so i assume its got wet somewere which isnt good. im just hoping this is the problem. there's nothing worse than having a bike stuck in garage especially when its dry
cheers mike
cheers mike
Mike no mine was abit different, Rode bike fine placed in garage on the optimate,if you havent got one get one battery needs to be tiptop to turn this fookers.Next day or so leathers lid on early one morning on a planned rideout dead just a click. ( Known fault :rant) fitted new solenoid started first time :inlove If your in any doubt about your battery change it upgraded YTX-14BS :thumbup
See great post ive copied it for you :
disarm your alarm, confirm that your LED stops flashing, (if your bike has not been used for over two weeks, switch your ignition on first to wake the alarm up, then off then arm and disarm).
Switch your ignition on, do you hear your fuel pump prime for about 5 seconds, if no your fault is either kill switch in wrong position/ faulty,alarm, tip over sensor, fuel pump, fuel pump relay or ecu. Further assistance will be given on this when required.
Press your starter button,do you get multiple clicks, if you do its your battery thats flat or a loose connection, a weak battery does not have the power to make the solenoid work it tries but fails often this is the clicking sound you hear, dont give me yer pish about it being a new battery or just off charge, you are doing it wrong, multiple clicks are a sign of a duff battery an nothing else, if you are a poor wee misguided arse wipe that thinks you have just taken the bike off your optimate then read the feckin instructions for your optimate (highlights below). A green light on an optimate doesn't mean the battery is OK.
If its a new battery then did the shop charge it for eight hours on a trickle charger or did you walk in say "i want a new battery" they filled it with acid and gave it to you, no 8 hour charge means your battery will not last as long as it could.
Optimate, great wee ****** but you need to read the instructions, if you dont power on and off it does not condition yer battery, you have wasted your money for a wee plastic ornament, every time you connect to an optimate you must switch it off and on again to reset the conditioning cycle.
What fecker was going on about diagnostic plugs, the diagnostics are only concerned with the fuel injection there is no a code for the starter solenoid. There is no fault code 0,1 or -1 this is the setting for yer throttle position sensor it is not a fault code.
Right then where was i, your fuel pump primes, remember that noise, when you press the start button do you hear a single click but the starter motor does not turn, you hear the same whooshing noise that your fuel pump priming makes, that means your solenoid is probably fecked, this can beconfirmed by shorting out the two terminals on the solenoid with your ignition on this will enable you to start the bike,
if you dont hear a single click then it is probably your solenoid control voltage that is ******, test by putting a multimeter or lamp over the little multiplug on the solenoid between the yellow/red and the purple/black you should get 12V only when the start button is pressed if you dont the fault is in your switch, control logic, side stand switch, clutch switch diode block etc, further assistance will be given when ye post saying "I dont get 12V on my multiplug when the button is pressed"
The sprag clutch woes will not prevent the bike from starting, it is a mechanical noise which gets louder as time goes on it also gets more expensive the longer you leave it
as usual the internet is a dangerous place, don't assume because the solenoid is a known fault that that is what is wrong with your bike, do the checks above post yer results an we will get ye sorted.
Dont assume that because someone says their business is motorbikes that they know best for example people who come on and say that an optimate discharges a battery what the **** sort of info is that, a battery charger that discharges a battery , for the record an optimate measures the level and rate of discharge of a battery and sets the charging current appropriately, once the green light is on it reverts to a trickle charge, this is called conditioning.
See great post ive copied it for you :
disarm your alarm, confirm that your LED stops flashing, (if your bike has not been used for over two weeks, switch your ignition on first to wake the alarm up, then off then arm and disarm).
Switch your ignition on, do you hear your fuel pump prime for about 5 seconds, if no your fault is either kill switch in wrong position/ faulty,alarm, tip over sensor, fuel pump, fuel pump relay or ecu. Further assistance will be given on this when required.
Press your starter button,do you get multiple clicks, if you do its your battery thats flat or a loose connection, a weak battery does not have the power to make the solenoid work it tries but fails often this is the clicking sound you hear, dont give me yer pish about it being a new battery or just off charge, you are doing it wrong, multiple clicks are a sign of a duff battery an nothing else, if you are a poor wee misguided arse wipe that thinks you have just taken the bike off your optimate then read the feckin instructions for your optimate (highlights below). A green light on an optimate doesn't mean the battery is OK.
If its a new battery then did the shop charge it for eight hours on a trickle charger or did you walk in say "i want a new battery" they filled it with acid and gave it to you, no 8 hour charge means your battery will not last as long as it could.
Optimate, great wee ****** but you need to read the instructions, if you dont power on and off it does not condition yer battery, you have wasted your money for a wee plastic ornament, every time you connect to an optimate you must switch it off and on again to reset the conditioning cycle.
What fecker was going on about diagnostic plugs, the diagnostics are only concerned with the fuel injection there is no a code for the starter solenoid. There is no fault code 0,1 or -1 this is the setting for yer throttle position sensor it is not a fault code.
Right then where was i, your fuel pump primes, remember that noise, when you press the start button do you hear a single click but the starter motor does not turn, you hear the same whooshing noise that your fuel pump priming makes, that means your solenoid is probably fecked, this can beconfirmed by shorting out the two terminals on the solenoid with your ignition on this will enable you to start the bike,
if you dont hear a single click then it is probably your solenoid control voltage that is ******, test by putting a multimeter or lamp over the little multiplug on the solenoid between the yellow/red and the purple/black you should get 12V only when the start button is pressed if you dont the fault is in your switch, control logic, side stand switch, clutch switch diode block etc, further assistance will be given when ye post saying "I dont get 12V on my multiplug when the button is pressed"
The sprag clutch woes will not prevent the bike from starting, it is a mechanical noise which gets louder as time goes on it also gets more expensive the longer you leave it
as usual the internet is a dangerous place, don't assume because the solenoid is a known fault that that is what is wrong with your bike, do the checks above post yer results an we will get ye sorted.
Dont assume that because someone says their business is motorbikes that they know best for example people who come on and say that an optimate discharges a battery what the **** sort of info is that, a battery charger that discharges a battery , for the record an optimate measures the level and rate of discharge of a battery and sets the charging current appropriately, once the green light is on it reverts to a trickle charge, this is called conditioning.
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Brent Knoll, Somerset
Mikey, just finished putting my bike back together with the new Power commander on this morning.
Tried to start her up and was pissed off that the bloody thing wouldn't fire.
Tried it a few more times and nothing so I decide to stop and try something else before I drain the battery, and would you adam and eve it the same thing happened. Ignition off and the ******* kept turning over til she went flat.:rant
Tried to start her up and was pissed off that the bloody thing wouldn't fire.
Tried it a few more times and nothing so I decide to stop and try something else before I drain the battery, and would you adam and eve it the same thing happened. Ignition off and the ******* kept turning over til she went flat.:rant
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I was talking to my mate with a Ducati 996 last night and his has done exactly the same last week. Ohh, and then it caught fire. In a police car park. Full of Police cars.:doug:dowhat
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just to let you know guys i took off the relay and took it to bits. looks like this was the problem as the elements seam to be arking together. also some slight orange rust. decided to take craigs advice and ordered the yamaha upgrade which will be with me friday ready for installation saturday morning. also bought an optimate 4 which should be here friday also. ill keep you updated
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Brent Knoll, Somerset
Mikey I am sure you are right about it being the starter relay. It can't be the starter switch cos it does it with the key out and ignition off. I am gonna do same as you and order the yamaha one.:thumbup
