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Just been watching Bike cops uk on men and motors,police bike stopped a ducati I think, with a daytime mot ie;no lights etc,called in other police looked up the law and found that no offence had been commited.This all took a while to sort out by which time it was dark.The rider was then told he couldn`t ride home and had to get a friend with a trailor to come and get him and bike.My point is shouldn`t the police know the law before they stop you?.I new about an mot with conditions its easy to find out about.
 
seen 1 of them before and it was at an accident where a bike had hit the back of a tractor . now the copper that was looking at it picked up a bulb and said "ahh he was braking because the light filerment has molten glass on it meaning it must have been hot when the glass broke" very clever i thought but the bulb he was holding was a headlight bulb bloody knobs some of them all done for tele
 
typical!, we are lucky up here northumbria police have disbanded their police bike section!
 
what about brake light as i was out today and a felow biker came over and told me i have to have a brake light as i have not put any on yet:dunno
 
You don`t have to have a break light or indicators,I mot`d my 750 srad track bike last year and all that was required for an mot was a horn and a number plate and it passed with conditions that it could be on the road between the hours of 9and 4 if I remember rightly.Bit scarey though I used to think I was going to be tail ended in slower traffic.
 
No such think as a daytime MOT, just daylight hour use. What I mean is if you take in a bike for an mot with no lights and it passes and then you decide to put all the road gear back on you don't need to re mot it.
 
so i dont need to get a mot then is this right i do have one but i had a back light on then
 
hstephen5 spot on. we get an MOT type newsletter at work and had one last year about myth of daytime only MOT's. according to vosa they don't exist
If I remember rightly it says they're mot'd exactly same but if no lights fitted an advisory is issued that no lights fitted when presented for test.
which obviously means it can only be used in daylight hours.
If lights are fitted they have to work.

I'll see if I can find a copy and post up article
 
seen 1 of them before and it was at an accident where a bike had hit the back of a tractor . now the copper that was looking at it picked up a bulb and said "ahh he was braking because the light filerment has molten glass on it meaning it must have been hot when the glass broke" very clever i thought but the bulb he was holding was a headlight bulb bloody knobs some of them all done for tele

.. and if it was a rear light you can't see the molten glass unless you use a microscope anyway..what a knob!!!
 
No such think as a daytime MOT, just daylight hour use. What I mean is if you take in a bike for an mot with no lights and it passes and then you decide to put all the road gear back on you don't need to re mot it.

I've had several 'daytime' MOT's, and I think you're right. I don't remember the certificates being marked any differently to a normal one. I think it's a case that if you have lights on your bike, they have to work.

You don't need a brake light, btw, just a rear reflector, horn, mudguards and speedo.
 
I don't know the cops over there however the cops here in California don't know jack about the law, they just talk assume something is wrong and ask the dispatcher to find something wrong in the traffic law, as you may know anything pretty much you do is already illegal and I'm not here to argue that. Even molesting Lizards in a Park! lol
 
How does the insurance stand on not having a rear brake light ?, surely if someone hits you up the arse they could refuse to pay out as there were no signs that you were slowing down ?. I know this may be a case of the driver should of been able to tell, but as we all know, insurance companies dont need much of an excuse to not pay out...:dunno. I think if I were to go down the "no lights route" I'd still have a brake light, even if it were only a small LED unit.
 
Be careful here lads as MoT requirements may differ from Construction and Use regs - i.e., just because you get an MoT doesn't necessarily mean that it's 'road legal' - you'll have to check.
But you're right about coppers not knowing the law - a lot of them don't know the finer points of motoring law - as my 'tap-room lawyer' mate has proved in court more than once!
Unfortunatly, now the cops can confiscate or prevent you riding your bike at the officer on the spot's discretion, it's up to you to prove that you're legal after the fact. e.g. A mate of mine with a trader's insurance policy had all sorts of roadside hassle and actually got reported for no insurance because the car didn't show up as insured on the police computer.
The problem is (and all due respect to the officers who are on here!), hiring and training sensible, well-informed officers able to make discretionary judgements in any situation is expensive - it's much easier to hire some drongo and tell him to do exactly what the computer tells him to do. This is US managment model that now pervades this country, where you can hire anyone of any educational level to do any job as long as they follow the laid down 'system'. The result is that workers become interchangable and so disposable - if one burger flipper starts to complain about not being able to live on his rip-off wages, they can sack him and get another one in by the next day. Heading that way in any industry now - and that includes mine (newspapers).
Was I ranting? I WAS ranting! Sorry.
 
How does the insurance stand on not having a rear brake light ?, surely if someone hits you up the arse they could refuse to pay out as there were no signs that you were slowing down ?. I know this may be a case of the driver should of been able to tell, but as we all know, insurance companies dont need much of an excuse to not pay out...:dunno. I think if I were to go down the "no lights route" I'd still have a brake light, even if it were only a small LED unit.

You surpose to use hand signals- they show them in the highway code.
 
You surpose to use hand signals- they show them in the highway code.

Yeah, I know what it says in the highway code, but waving your hands about whilst slowing down or coming up to a corner isn't ideal is it ?. I doubt it would stand you in good steed with the insurance company either.

I'd rather have a small brake light on my bike than trust most car drivers not to **** up my bike and maybe me, even more so if the insurance company was able to weasel out of paying for the damage or personal injuries.
 
This is from official VOSA quarterly news letters, you can down load it from here Jan 09 issue 42

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/publications/newsletters/mattersoftesting.htm




| Matters of Testing
BIKES, TRIKES AND QUADS
We tackle the urban myth of ‘daytime MOTs’!
Doing it with the
lights off


COVER FEATURE
8 | Matters of Testing
We receive a surprising number of
queries from people about daytime
MOTs, most of which come from
motorcyclists who think that
a road-legal track-day bike or
an off-roader with no lights fitted
must be given a daytime MOT
rather than go through the usual
MOT process.
Exploring the myth
But what exactly is a daytime
MOT? Well, to dispel the urban
myth, we can confirm here that
there is no such thing! It is,
however, perfectly acceptable for
a vehicle to have no lights fitted
and still pass a normal MOT test.
This is possible due to an
exemption in Regulation 4(3)(a)
of the Road Vehicle (Lighting)
Regulations 1989, as amended:
‘Nothing in these regulations shall
require any lamp or reflector to be
fitted between sunrise and sunset
to a vehicle not fitted with any
front or rear position lamp.’
Regulation 4 goes on to clarify
that: ‘for the purposes of these
regulations a lamp shall not be
treated as being a lamp if it is:
a. so painted over or masked
that it is not capable of being
immediately used or readily
put to use
b. an electric lamp which is not
provided with any system of
wiring by means of which
that lamp is, or can readily
be, connected with a source
of electricity.’
You should find this information
somewhat familiar, as it provides
the legal backing to the simplified
wording used throughout Section 1
of the Inspection Manuals, where
we also state that such vehicles
must not be used at times of
seriously reduced visibility, as this
would clearly be dangerous as well
as illegal.
Don’t go out in the dark
So, if you are presented with a
machine for an MOT test that has
no lights fitted, test it in the normal
way apart from the lighting checks.
If it meets the test requirements,
simply issue a VT20 test certificate.
This is, of course, the same as any
other VT20, which puts paid to the
myth of a daytime MOT!
However, in these circumstances
you must always also issue a VT32
advisory notice stating that no lights
were fitted at the time of test. This
will provide evidence of the
machine’s condition at the time of
test, should a future query arise.
Other light sources
Remember, if a machine is
presented with neither front nor
rear position lamps, but it has a
stop lamp or direction indicators
fitted, these must still meet the
requirements of the test.
These aspects of the test, plus
many others, are covered on our
motorcycle refresher training
courses, which help to keep your
skills and knowledge up to date.
See the back cover of this issue for
more information on how to book
onto a course.
| Matters of Testing
BIKES, TRIKES AND QUADS
We tackle the urban myth of ‘daytime MOTs’!
Doing it with the
lights off
 
OK - somebody remind me of the hand signals on a motorcycle if no rear brake light fitted.

I know my car ones but NOT motorcycle ones. Surely, right hand cannot be used as it controls the throttle.
 
OK - somebody remind me of the hand signals on a motorcycle if no rear brake light fitted.

I know my car ones but NOT motorcycle ones. Surely, right hand cannot be used as it controls the throttle.

Left arm out to turn left, right arm out to turn right, wave right arm up and down to indicate you're slowing down...you may forego this last manoeuvre in the event of an emergency stop...
 

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