Hard to find Neutral and selecting first is a bit of a clunk...

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I am currently using Millers ZFS 10w40 Engine Oil, Fully Synthetic. and am finding it hard to select neutral and selecting first is a bit of a clunk almost like getting a bit of drag on the clutch. I've checked and adjusted everything to do with the clutch and concluded it is the oil.

1 Has anyone had a similar problem?
2 Did a change of oil cure this problem?
3 What make of oil did you use?

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I was sold motul 5w 40 from my aprilia dealer for my oil change I done have an issue only with the £50 quid the oil cost me [emoji15]
 
Just checked service manual sure enough 5/40 is the spec maybe 10/40 is to heavy hence difficulty of finding neutral?? Just a guess worth a try changing to correct weight oil is say but it's fecking expensive
 
Trouble finding neutral is quite common with the V4's.

Changing oil will do very little to resolve the problem.

The easiest "fix" is to snick it into neutral just before you come to a halt. Goes straight in :thumbup
 
Trouble finding neutral is quite common with the V4's.

Changing oil will do very little to resolve the problem.

The easiest "fix" is to snick it into neutral just before you come to a halt. Goes straight in :thumbup

+1. I have a Gen 2. I find it's easier to find neutral from 2nd gear. I usually select neutral coming to a stop at a light around 5-10mph.
 
+1. I have a Gen 2. I find it's easier to find neutral from 2nd gear. I usually select neutral coming to a stop at a light around 5-10mph.

My bike is a 2013 v4!
This is exactly what I find. I never find neutral from being in first gear, it just shifts to second gear from first..
 
Just checked service manual sure enough 5/40 is the spec maybe 10/40 is to heavy hence difficulty of finding neutral?? Just a guess worth a try changing to correct weight oil is say but it's fecking expensive

The oil weight is the same at normal running temperature. The 5W is only thinner than a 10W at near freezing temperature.
Both the 5W-40 and 10W-40 are, believe it or not, 40 weight oil at full engine temperature.
 
5w40 for all 2011 and up v4 models. 2010 took 15w50

i found having my chain adjusted just on the middle of the recommendation helped with finding nuetral
 
have you removed the 13mm screw/nut type thing from the lever holder/perch? it helped a lot with selection when I took mine out. removing it allows you to tighten the cable a little more and I found it drops into neutral so much easier.
 
The oil weight is the same at normal running temperature. The 5W is only thinner than a 10W at near freezing temperature.
Both the 5W-40 and 10W-40 are, believe it or not, 40 weight oil at full engine temperature.
Hi Derrick I didn't realise that if it's cheaper next time round I'm shoving in 10/40 the only downside with my bike is after a run when it's started after settling from a run it rattles like something is trying to get lubricated then after about some 10-15 seconds it dissappears, if I momentarily switch back off after the rattle then back on the rattle is not there... Odd

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have you removed the 13mm screw/nut type thing from the lever holder/perch? it helped a lot with selection when I took mine out. removing it allows you to tighten the cable a little more and I found it drops into neutral so much easier.

Thank you for that Dave. I'll try your suggestion as it makes sense to do as it will give that bit more leverage.
 
Hi Derrick I didn't realise that if it's cheaper next time round I'm shoving in 10/40 the only downside with my bike is after a run when it's started after settling from a run it rattles like something is trying to get lubricated then after about some 10-15 seconds it dissappears, if I momentarily switch back off after the rattle then back on the rattle is not there... Odd

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mine does exactly the same thing, but also from the 1st time its started weird eh? stops after a few seconds, almost sounds like there's hydraulic lifters in the engine
just bought some 10w40 Motul 7100 to do a change before I go away next month.
 
mine does exactly the same thing, but also from the 1st time its started weird eh? stops after a few seconds, almost sounds like there's hydraulic lifters in the engine
just bought some 10w40 Motul 7100 to do a change before I go away next month.
At least im not the only one... That's exactly the noise, let me know if the 10/40 helps the issue? Many thanks dave have a nice trip

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Hi Derrick I didn't realise that if it's cheaper next time round I'm shoving in 10/40 the only downside with my bike is after a run when it's started after settling from a run it rattles like something is trying to get lubricated then after about some 10-15 seconds it dissappears, if I momentarily switch back off after the rattle then back on the rattle is not there... Odd

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Oil:
In the UK the outside ambient temperature doesn't get much below -5c in the winter and I don't even use my bike unless the Temperature is above freezing. We are, in this case, lucky to have the gulf stream. However In Canada, which parts of that country are in the same latitude as the UK, the ambient temperature can be -20c. A 5w40 oil (5 Winter 40 viscosity) will be still thin at upto -25 alowing an engine to firstly crank and secondly for the oil to reach vital parts quickly. Were as a 10W40 maybe too thick for cranking at -20c or take too long to reach vital parts. At the time of writing the ambient UK temperature is at about 10c and there is little or no difference between a 5W40 or a 10w40 or even a 15w40. Some reasons a 5w40 is more expensive is because the viscosity spread between 5 and 40 is so great only Synthetic oils can achieve this. 5w40 is also more susceptible to shear effect.
Ambient temperature does not effect water cooled engines when hot as much as air cooled engines under normal riding conditions.

Rattles:
My bike does the same. A bit embarrassing when starting the bike with your mates present. I've read on various forums that Aprilia don't see it as a problem and it is something to do with the timing chain tensioner needing to fill with oil which works hydraulically. I don't know if this is fact but it is annoying all the same.
 
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Oil:
Rattles:
My bike does the same. A bit embarrassing when starting the bike with your mates present. I've read on various forums that Aprilia don't see it as a problem and it is something to do with the timing chain tensioner needing to fill with oil which works hydraulically. I don't know if this is fact but it is annoying all the same.
makes sense to me
 
Oil:
In the UK the outside ambient temperature doesn't get much below -5c in the winter and I don't even use my bike unless the Temperature is above freezing. We are, in this case, lucky to have the gulf stream. However In Canada, which parts of that country are in the same latitude as the UK, the ambient temperature can be -20c. A 5w40 oil (5 Winter 40 viscosity) will be still thin at upto -25 alowing an engine to firstly crank and secondly for the oil to reach vital parts quickly. Were as a 10W40 maybe too thick for cranking at -20c or take too long to reach vital parts. At the time of writing the ambient UK temperature is at about 10c and there is little or no difference between a 5W40 or a 10w40 or even a 15w40. Some reasons a 5w40 is more expensive is because the viscosity spread between 5 and 40 is so great only Synthetic oils can achieve this. 5w40 is also more suitable to shear effect.
Ambient temperature does not effect water cooled engines when hot as much as air cooled engines under normal riding conditions.

Rattles:
My bike does the same. A bit embarrassing when starting the bike with your mates present. I've read on various forums that Aprilia don't see it as a problem and it is something to do with the timing chain tensioner needing to fill with oil which works hydraulically. I don't know if this is fact but it is annoying all the same.
Thanks for the info Derrick you certainly know your stuff many many thanks and the sound is embarrassing and it is exactly that that's making the noise

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Oil:

Rattles:
My bike does the same. A bit embarrassing when starting the bike with your mates present. I've read on various forums that Aprilia don't see it as a problem and it is something to do with the timing chain tensioner needing to fill with oil which works hydraulically. I don't know if this is fact but it is annoying all the same.

That's exactly what it is and Aprilia have snuck in a "non metallic washer" that now sits behind the hydraulic tensioners to stop them from retracting so far when there is no oil pressure.

The newer 1100's have a different setup with a non return valve on the feed to the tensioners.
 
I was about to suggest why they did not include this I wonder if there will be a recall or if they are Easy to fit?, probably internal

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I was about to suggest why they did not include this I wonder if there will be a recall or if they are Easy to fit?, probably internal

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The tensioners are internal and a pain in the butt to get to.

realistically it's a dealer job as you also need an Aprilia tool to compress the tensioners to put them in and then release them once in position.

Aprilia don't do recalls lol.

They just update parts and let us pay for them, like the stator / flywheel etc
 

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