VERY optimistic max speed reading.

Rage Rider · Feb 22, 2009

Hi all.

My max speed trip keeps reverting to saying my top speed was 188mph which is impressive on some level but clearly wildly inaccurate. Personally I'm not too worried as everything else is working fine.

However I do have a couple questions: Firstly, is this typical, and secondly is this indictive or a precursor to some other electrical gremlins?

Either way it's not panic stations but I'd be interested to see if anyone can shed some light on the issue.

Thanks in advance.

Smiffy · Feb 22, 2009

You should be able to get more than that on the clock!!!!! try the other 3 gears mate. 188MPH dead slow that! just hope the Police dont have you over!!!! try telling them that you didnt do it!

milliemonkey · Feb 22, 2009

Have you altered the gearing either the front or rear sprockets? not sure where the speed sensor is on these bikes but if it's in the gearbox it could help it misread.

Bear in mind however that I am severly mechanically challenged so the above Gen is probably about as useless as the Bush administration's WMD advisors.

wobblybox · Feb 22, 2009

I would be concerned that if you do get pulled by the fuzz

uke for speeding that they dont try and say that was the speed you were doing at the time. There is stories of cameras etc being used as evidence against folk. Would say it wouldn't stick like cuz theres no date/time stamp on speed.

Think the speedo reading is from a senor on the rear wheel which has evidently **** itself (I stand to be corrected cuz im spannerly retarded) more than likely its just your sensor (not the gillette one mind you) thats wonky

spoonz · Feb 22, 2009

Speedo is not gearing dependant and usually very accurate.

Only things that can throw it out is the sensor acting up or a radically different profile tyre but if it read 188 when you were doiung 90 that's not a tyre type discrepency for sure.

manty · Feb 22, 2009

Your maximum speed cannot be used by the police unless they previously went through an expensive set of calibratation to make sure it was in perfect working order!

I thought not

Rage Rider · Feb 23, 2009

Thanks for the input guys (I think, made me laugh if nothing else) but just to clarify it's not my speedo that's playing up but only the max speed trip. It usually reads the right speed for a few hours and then reverts to telling me I've maxed out at 188mph. I've disconnected the battery and started from scratch but it didn't make any difference.

Also to Millemonkey I haven't altered my gearing at all, it's totally standard so it can't be that but thanks anyway. To Manty you're right, I've got a couple of mates who are traffic cops and they said that as it hasn't been calibrated it definitely couldn't be used as evidence of anything other than it's buggered! In actual fact they can't even get convictions using their own equipment if it hasn't been properly calibrated beforehand. It's worth asking if you ever get pulled as mistakes do happen although it will well and truly piss them off because you'll look like a smart arse. You can also ask to see the calibration printout/documentation but again you won't be their favourite person.

Anyway this is a bit of a moot point simply because my bike is standard bar some Akros and there's no way the bike can do 188mph even with them on, baffles out with the wind behind me as believe the 2008 RSVR will do around 170mph as standard. I remember about 8 years ago a guy in the states was clocked at 198mph on a Fireblade by a police helicopter and the case fell down as when the bike was examined it was only capable of 168mph apparently. Lucky lucky bastard as he was clearly bashing it big style as the helicopter couldn't keep up and ironically if the cops hadn't submitted an unobtainable speed as evidence they would've had a better case. Ha-ha!:nana

sergi75 · Feb 23, 2009

manty said:
Your maximum speed cannot be used by the police unless they previously went through an expensive set of calibratation to make sure it was in perfect working order!

I thought not

Police cannot use this data. Even if they tried you could simply say that you did it on a track, in a German Motorway....

milliemonkey · Feb 23, 2009

sergi75 said:
Police cannot use this data. Even if they tried you could simply say that you did it on a track, in a German Motorway....

And the Proof of which will lie with you to provide reciepts for the trackday. Credit card bills for the ferry tickets etc.

The police are not stupid mate (well, most of the time) and are wise to such games. Just thoguht I'd say.

Oh, and the bike in the USA outrunning the cops was a Honda SP-2. Which is also a Moo point. like a cows opinion. It doesn;t matter.

sergi75 · Feb 23, 2009

milliemonkey said:
And the Proof of which will lie with you to provide reciepts for the trackday. Credit card bills for the ferry tickets etc.

The police are not stupid mate (well, most of the time) and are wise to such games. Just thoguht I'd say.

Oh, and the bike in the USA outrunning the cops was a Honda SP-2. Which is also a Moo point. like a cows opinion. It doesn;t matter.

I'm not sure in the USA but over here the police cannot use as evidence the max speed recorded in your speedo because is not reliable and because they cannot proof when and where you got such speed therefore you don't need to proof anything. Obviosly, in the unlikely event that the police stops you, checks you recorded max speed and ask you, you can say on track or Germany. It doesn't matter whether they're stupit or not, what matters is that they cannot fine you for this. Out of curiosity, what would you say if the police asked you?

kawasakiinit · Feb 23, 2009

sergi75 said:
I'm not sure in the USA but over here the police cannot use as evidence the max speed recorded in your speedo because is not reliable and because they cannot proof when and where you got such speed therefore you don't need to proof anything. Obviosly, in the unlikely event that the police stops you, checks you recorded max speed and ask you, you can say on track or Germany. It doesn't matter whether they're stupit or not, what matters is that they cannot fine you for this. Out of curiosity, what would you say if the police asked you?

my next line would be "please dont hit me again officer" lol:sly

Rage Rider · Feb 23, 2009

milliemonkey said:
And the Proof of which will lie with you to provide reciepts for the trackday. Credit card bills for the ferry tickets etc.

The police are not stupid mate (well, most of the time) and are wise to such games. Just thoguht I'd say.

Oh, and the bike in the USA outrunning the cops was a Honda SP-2. Which is also a Moo point. like a cows opinion. It doesn;t matter.

LOL. A terrible gag but it made me chuckle. :thumbup

Could've sworn it was a Fireblade but it was a while ago so I'll take your word on that one. Either way I guess neither bike can do 198mph in standard trim so as you say another mooot point. :biggrin

mark58 · Feb 23, 2009

Mine reads 188 also, which was the speedo sensor on its way out..Easy fix

Rage Rider · Feb 23, 2009

mark58 said:
Mine reads 188 also, which was the speedo sensor on its way out..Easy fix

Ah that's interesting, how easy is easy and how much are they? Is it a case of getting a new one off the shelf at my local dealer or will it take a while to order? On thinking about it I only got my RSV new in September last year so it will presumably be in warranty I would imagine.

wobblybox · Feb 23, 2009

What I meant troopettes was if you were caught doin say 120+ a successful prosecution could arise out of two police officers observations and collaborating statements. It is not necesscery to have physical evidence such as video, VASCAR or laser etc etc. They just have to prove beyond reasonable doubt. That your speedo reads a max speed of 188 mph could be used against you. I doubt it like but stranger things have happened......

In your defence you could wheel it into the court and show them that the fookin thing won't start :nana

Sprocker · Feb 23, 2009

wobblybox said:
In your defence you could wheel it into the court and show them that the fookin thing won't start :nana

:lolhilarious mate :thumbup

mark58 · Feb 23, 2009

sensor

Rage Rider said:
Ah that's interesting, how easy is easy and how much are they? Is it a case of getting a new one off the shelf at my local dealer or will it take a while to order? On thinking about it I only got my RSV new in September last year so it will presumably be in warranty I would imagine.

They're mounted down by the rear caliper so get all the water thrown on them, and in Aprilias wisdom they're not sealed where the wires go in..I got one off ebay (£16) and have bought another as a spare (£20) also from ebay..Though I believe they're around £67 new..1 screw and a multi pin plug..Dead easy to change..
Also put a blob of silicone around where the wires go into the sensor to stop a repeat.

Rage Rider · Feb 24, 2009

mark58 said:
They're mounted down by the rear caliper so get all the water thrown on them, and in Aprilias wisdom they're not sealed where the wires go in..I got one off ebay (£16) and have bought another as a spare (£20) also from ebay..Though I believe they're around £67 new..1 screw and a multi pin plug..Dead easy to change..
Also put a blob of silicone around where the wires go into the sensor to stop a repeat.

Thanks mate. :thumbup I'll also seal the wire entry point to the sensor as well. Good tip, cheers. Aprilia really are burks sometimes bless 'em! :dunno

Rage Rider · Feb 24, 2009

wobblybox said:
What I meant troopettes was if you were caught doin say 120+ a successful prosecution could arise out of two police officers observations and collaborating statements. It is not necesscery to have physical evidence such as video, VASCAR or laser etc etc. They just have to prove beyond reasonable doubt. That your speedo reads a max speed of 188 mph could be used against you. I doubt it like but stranger things have happened......

In your defence you could wheel it into the court and show them that the fookin thing won't start :nana

It's a fair point and it wouldn't surprise me if it did go against you, (and the not starting bit :biggrin,) although I reckon a half decent bastard, sorry solicitor or lawyer (JOKE! :nana) should be able cast equally reasonable doubt if the speedo indicates a speed the bike can't do it would surely throw all/any of it's readings in to doubt. I've no doubt the fuzz would try it but I'm dubious it would stand up to professonal scrutiny, but stranger things have happened.

Either way, and regardless of the speedo issue, your are right that if two+ cops testify you were speeding then no matter how it went down basically you were speeding in the eyes of the law and the courts etc etc. The only crumb of comfort is that they wouldn't know exactly by how much although they would no doubt simply say "excessive" and you'd get a fitting ban/fine/points.

It's an interesting debate in that I think the courts are very inconsistent so I'm not sure there's any predictable outcome as each case is different and certain people (read: cops, celebrities, politicians etc etc) get treated.....differently to some others (read: the rest of us.)

Fingers crossed we don't get pulled hey? :thumbup

heroblob · Feb 24, 2009

Here's a thought. if you get pulled and the nice man in blue knows how to read your max speed, and it reads say 140mph from a previous days play. The answer should be that after washing my bike officer i put it up on a paddock stand and run it up through the gearbox to dry the chain off and stop it going rusty prior to applying chain lube. This doesn't require receipts for ferries and the like for playing abroad.:thumbup

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