starter realy clicking but not much else...

Sorry I hadn't been round much as after the big crash of the site I've bought three more bikes and been getting one ready for the track, one a complete overhaul as it was sittin for two years and on top of that working on friend's bikes as well.
To be honest over at AF1 been going there for questions as this site had a bit of time to rebuild itself.

Allright here goes...

Pulled bike out of stone cold garage.

Battery's been gettin weak but been putting a charge on it every now and then but this time just pushed the start button to warm er up without making sure she was charged..

She turned over real slow but fired into life and I let er warm up.

Tried to restart er 15 minutes later after I had hooked er up to a charger( not a trickle charger but a straight charger) just click click from starter relay so figured battery was beyond a charge and pulled the battery from the triumph.

Hooked up the fresh battery which showed 12.7V on the multimeter systems come on like normal and again click click.

OKAY, is it a shot relay?

Well, I tried to bypass the relay by jumping the terminal straight to the starter motor to confirm the relay was shot but still the starter didn't move and multimeter shows no juice getting to er either.

Bad ground? Well, the starter motor is grounded to the engine so only a live wire comes in straight from the relay. I do show continuity also from starter motor cable to relay and ground so it's not the starter with a ground problem. Continuity to engine grounds also from battery ground on RHS and ground from wiring loom on LHS.

I pulled the relay and when I push 12v through er she clicks like normal not click click click...

When relay is on the bike and key off it does show 12.5 v on realy terminals so it's not the main fuses either.

Also when I hit the starter switch the high beams flash like crazy and also the nuetral light flashs on and off.

I've ordered the new relay from Yamaha which will be here in two days but I'm not convinced it's the relay if i've already bridged the terminals to jump start it and still the starter motor gets no juice...???

Collective wisdom would suggest I check..??

what about the stator rectifier? could there be something there that's not being adressed?

The service manual wiring diagram is as useless as shitting paper as it's microprinted and can't be read.


thankyou

Okay, what about this.

From the starter relay you have two smaller wires that run back into the loom. I found an old wiring diagram on af1 for a mille but it show that one wire runs to the right dimmer switch ( high beam I'm guessing) and the other wire runs to the Diode Module.

I'm not sure if I understand right and left dimmer switch as on the rsvr we have flasher for high beam and then the high low beam switch.

The Diode Module must be the box on the RHS of frame that splits off to your dash and nuetral light indicator. So, for the starter relay to ground I can see there is a connection inside the relay that is switched on and off ( I'm assuming here) by these two wires dimmer switch and nuetral light and that is why theye are flashing when I'm trying to crank the engine becuase they are not grounding to the starter relay.

Anyone? anyone? bueller, anyone??

So if these two wires act as the ground to the relay then that means there is a bad ground on one of these wires? Anyone following me here?

So without ripping open the wiring loom how do we find continuity to a right dimmer switch which is where? and nuetral light is easy as its by the gear shift.

more to come.

Ahaaa! yes. it would seem the obvious choice but the battery has been replaced and still the problem persists.

I've again check continuity from the two wires that run out of the starter relay. As I stated before the mille diagram shows the two wires going to to neutral light and dimmer switch but found a proper diagram of the 07 RSVR and these two wires do not end up in neutral and dimmer switch.

One goes to the ECU which must be the ground switch activated by the ECU. Funny thing is it runs down the wiring loom towards the front of the bike and not straight to the ECU?? The other goes to lambda, speed, fuel pump and dash?

So I'm back to the idea that although I can pull the relay off the bike and run 12v through it and it does click , I think it's still not making a good connection and is buggered. How after never having a electrical fault, not even the slightest electrical hiccup, always always started on first push of button, how now does it possibly have a bad ground which seems the fault?

Now when I try to crank er' the relay will only click two maybe three times then stop. I think I'm chasing my tail and with a near dead battery and even though she cranked ( barely) I think I must have burn't the points in the relay or the ground in the relay.

But I should still be able to jump the terminal of the relay and start the bike bypassing the relay but this doesn't work at all. Even when I put a heavy screwdriver under the relay terminals she doen't spark. But I do read 12v at the terminal with the key off???

F..ck if I know?

well, the news is no new news. She's a dead fecker and I can't sus it. Called AF1 and they suggested a bad dash or ECU as the high beams and neutral are flashing but gut feeling is it ain't that. The bike is in pieces and I've got half the loom pulled out the bike and just sick of these electril problems as my triumph decided to pack in the headlights. That only took 4 hours to find a bad connection when all wanted to do was run down to the shop.

Got a mate who's an airline mechanic coming over and if he can keep 747's flying then I hope aprilia doesn't keep him guessing too.

9 months without narry a problem and now she's dead as a stone.

Well, after ripping the guts out of the beast and checking every fuggin system twice, calling AF1 and they suggesting bad ECU or dash, wrapping and unwrapping the loom I found the problem.

First thing I checked, you check , everyone must check is the grounds. Basic wiring 101, done and dusted, did it and all was good. But lo and behold after pulling my hair out and contemplating parting er' up to sell I found that the cylinder ground on RHS screw had stripped at the end of full in and there was just the slightest movement that was impossible to notice but I pulled both grounds to reground on another spot on the bike to check once again.

Man, did I jump up and scream my ***-off with joy when that big ol V twin exploded into life, ******* orgasmic to solve a mystery that's been mentally killing me. Can't look at another RSVR wiring diagram for as long as I live as it's tatooed behind my eyes I'd gone over that thing. By the way the wiring diagram is less than accurate. When you are following wires to know where to check continuity or confirm 12v down the line just know that there is NO SEPERATE system within the RSVR loom. EVERYTHING is interconnected so when your bike does a system check every single system is confirmed good BEFORE the relay is switched by the ECU to ground which allows your 12v to roll down to the starter motor. Don't do what i did and chase wires to each system to confirm continuity as your error code on the dash will throw that for you. If the obvious is not working IE, battery and relay then almost certainly it's a bad ground as a dead ECU or dash is so rare as to be almost discounted entirely unless you crashed er' hard.