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Petrol usage

Jon

Joined Feb 2009
6 Posts | 0+
New Zealand
Hi, my Tuono 03 came used from Japan and had a Leo Vince pipe installed. It smelled badly of gas from the exhaust when running, & got about 12km per litre. Now we have put on a power commander, new air filter and removed the restricter. I couldn't find the precise map for the pipe so went with the closet map available. It seems to run fine still but the petrol consumption still remains the same. Riders I've talked to seem to think it shouldn't use so much gas. My next step is to take it to a shop to go on a dyno.
Can anyone tell me if they have the same problem or is this 12km per ltr normal.
The bike handles beautifully just as it did before the power commander fitting.
Thanks
Jon
 
Actually now I have fitted the Power Commander and set it to factory settings I'm getting a bit under 9 km per litre, {hell I thought 12 was bad}. I'm taking it in for a dyno on Tuesday and hope they can sort it out. The weird thing is it goes well but just seems to drink the gas.
I'm surprised no one here seems to have any idea what sort of fuel consumption they get and how the changing of a pipe etc can make such drastic changes to its performance. Is this sort of thing common with the Tuono or do I have a dud.
 
Jon. didn't realise you were down under, so you will have to change mph to kph from my reply .
think you get the drift though.
Damn my observation skils...
cheers
 
Thanks guys. I'm starting to think I shouldn't have bothered with a PowerCommander, anyway hopefully things should improve after get it on a dyno. i'll let you know the results.
Cheers Jon
 
Hi Jon, Dont know what mine is doing in that metric stuff but normal riding is about 140 /160 K,s to the light or about 32 a gallon
 
Well like Rederic, living in Blighty, I don't do that Metric Stuff! I get about 30 ish to a gallon on my 07 Factory T and I reckon I'm a bit of a steady Eddie. Not that good really is it? But Hey! Petrol is cheap! Yeh right!! LOL Don't get me started on Oil Co's>:megaphone
 
Thanks for the replies. It seems the bike was doing ok without the PC mpg wise. Anyway I'll post how it performs after the dyno, which has been put off a week as the mechanic was away.
At least it gave me the opportunity to test the new Honda Predator, which handled well has good power and is pretty sexy but as I was looking to replace my Kawa' Z750 with it I really can't see it being worth all that extra cash, I'd be better off saving thousands and get the Z1000.
Thanks
Jon
 
hi Jon,I usually get approx 40mpg when being reasonably sensible(if thats possible),but the first time out this year and I only got 32,must have missed it over the winter
 
Here's something you should check - how rich is the mixture at idle? This will involve checking the throttle body balance and sticking sniffers in each header to read the gas composition. Unless you are really well set up tools-wise you will need a Aprilia techy to do the gas analysis. Getting this right is important as during day to day use you will find that you are barely opening the throttle, maybe a 1/4 turn at most. Keeping a throttle pinned is basically license suicide on public roads, unless you T-bone a truck first...

BUT (this isn't the detailed explanation, just a rough idea of what to look at)

You can check the throttle body balance yourself at home (Caveat - you need to be comfortable messing around with bikes otherwise give it a miss). My bike was also using more juice than I'd have liked and since I enjoy servicing and pulling bikes apart I decided to invest in a vacuum meter and check the bike myself.

It essentially involves attaching a vacuum hose to each throttle body and measuring the amount of vaccum created on the guages. To adjust the vacuum (amount of air being sucked in) you adjust the air bleed screws. These screws affect the amount of air that mixes with the predetermined (mapped) amount of fuel being sprayed into the inlets. The bleed screws effect the bike with little to no throttle open. The importance of balancing the throttle bodies and getting the air/fuel ratio right centres on getting the bike to idle properly and essentially keep the bike running as lean as possible.

I found that my bike was adjusted to allow barely any air in at all resulting in rough running and an overly rich mixture. I wound out the screws (increased the amount of air) while keeping both pots balanced with a slight decrease in vacuum on the rear pot. I kept going until the bike idled perfectly on 1500 rpm without any idle adjustment at all. My bike is both pipe'd and chipped and is suited to a slightly higher than stock idle

The result has been a bike that starts and runs much better without hunting or rough idling and a resonable increase in fuel economy. I cannot say that the air/fuel mixture is spot on but the proof of a sweetly running bike tells me that I can't be far off.

You might find it is something that simple and worth a look. It pays to check and not assume the mechanic has a clue, they often have a rough idea but may not be trained in your brand or model of bike.
 
Thanks for all the tips, sadly I'm not very mechanical but armed with this knowledge I'll be better able to see that the service guy does a good job on the dyno. I'll let you know what happens.
Cheers
Jon
 
Well the dyno seemed to give me a bit more kms out of a liter, maybe 1-2. But it is riding smooth now and has heaps of power. Max' hp 121.9. Also doesn't stink of fuel from the exhaust.
So overall probably worth it but will need a big trip to be sure. Lovely bikes though aren't they.
Thanks for your help.
Jon
 
Here's something you should check - how rich is the mixture at idle? This will involve checking the throttle body balance and sticking sniffers in each header to read the gas composition. Unless you are really well set up tools-wise you will need a Aprilia techy to do the gas analysis. Getting this right is important as during day to day use you will find that you are barely opening the throttle, maybe a 1/4 turn at most. Keeping a throttle pinned is basically license suicide on public roads, unless you T-bone a truck first...

BUT (this isn't the detailed explanation, just a rough idea of what to look at)

You can check the throttle body balance yourself at home (Caveat - you need to be comfortable messing around with bikes otherwise give it a miss). My bike was also using more juice than I'd have liked and since I enjoy servicing and pulling bikes apart I decided to invest in a vacuum meter and check the bike myself.

It essentially involves attaching a vacuum hose to each throttle body and measuring the amount of vaccum created on the guages. To adjust the vacuum (amount of air being sucked in) you adjust the air bleed screws. These screws affect the amount of air that mixes with the predetermined (mapped) amount of fuel being sprayed into the inlets. The bleed screws effect the bike with little to no throttle open. The importance of balancing the throttle bodies and getting the air/fuel ratio right centres on getting the bike to idle properly and essentially keep the bike running as lean as possible.

I found that my bike was adjusted to allow barely any air in at all resulting in rough running and an overly rich mixture. I wound out the screws (increased the amount of air) while keeping both pots balanced with a slight decrease in vacuum on the rear pot. I kept going until the bike idled perfectly on 1500 rpm without any idle adjustment at all. My bike is both pipe'd and chipped and is suited to a slightly higher than stock idle

The result has been a bike that starts and runs much better without hunting or rough idling and a resonable increase in fuel economy. I cannot say that the air/fuel mixture is spot on but the proof of a sweetly running bike tells me that I can't be far off.

You might find it is something that simple and worth a look. It pays to check and not assume the mechanic has a clue, they often have a rough idea but may not be trained in your brand or model of bike.

:eek
 
My 04' drinks the dino juice like crazy. I've had it drop into the mid 20's on a tank when having a lot of fun on it (normal, actually!). I've heard many say the same about the tuono and mille bikes..... love that Rotax twin in every way, except that som'***** sure is thirsty!
 
Hey jon...

My 03 runs about 18 per litre when riding easy, no powercommander, but termigoni slip on. airrestrictor removed, and ECU wire cutted.

You say that its running normally? are yo comparing with an other Tuono 03???
 

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