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motor help

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I have got a 2001 RSV Mille R with a little over 15,000 miles. and i went to start her up today, she cranked up and then started making a clacking noise and turned off. i tried cranking her again and i heard the same noise. so i pulled the plugs and put her into 6th gear and tried turning the rear wheel, after about half a revolution and stopped, and there was no give to it, it wouldn't turn for anything. i tried turning it the other way and it did until it stopped and wouldn't turn, same as before. anyone have suggestions? thanks in advance for your help.
 
If it were mine i would be looking closely at the cam chain/tensioner area and it's timing and if that looks ok then the sprag area
 
Hi mate sure its not the clutch basket have ya tried holding the clutch lever in to see if the noise goes away?
 
well i started taking her apart, and found the spark plug on cylinder 1 (the one in front) the one on top looked like someone had dropped it. the electrode was bumped up against the insulator. and the motor will turn over continuously with the starter engaged, but when you try to turn it by hand, it will only go from the first cylinder at TDC to TDC on the first again.
 
Forgive me if this sounds stupid, but i wouldnt expect to be able to turn it over by hand at all, even with the plugs removed wont there still be alot of pressure??

Def replace that spark plug though, even if it does work if the gap isnt good or the electrode is chipped or whatever then you wont be getting very good combustion.. i can see the horses leaking away already..

i had a pair of rather nackered plugs and i replaced them with the iridium ones from rsvr.net and the bike has been running so much nicer ever since :thumbup

did you mean the engine cut out after it made the strange noise or you just turned it off?

every now and then mine makes a strange clattering sound when i start it, i was very worried at first but after starting it again it was ok so i just treat her more gently until the sound is normal, probably sprag clutch or starter motor on its way out. might be something completely different on yours though.

you might find it was just because of the dodgy spark plug, certainly if only one plug was messed up you would get some rather funky things going on as one cylinder fired as usual and the other has poor ignition things would not be in the usual balance, which could lead to the cam chain being sloppy so like spoonz said, probably worth checking it out!

First thing i would do is give it a whole new set of spark plugs and see if that sorts it, then i would probably check the sprag clutch to see if its getting chewed to pieces, then its checking the cam chain and whatever else.

Hope its nothing too bad!
 
Yeah, Wolf. I was going to suggest checking the sprag clutch as well.

Symptoms sound like it could well be that.

Unfortunately, if it is the sprag clutch, its a complete bugger to repair. :eek:

Spark plug could just be a coincidence, not sure.

How was the battery on yer bike, rocketman?. Was it starting ok previously with no issues or was it struggling a wee bit?. Do you normally leave it connected up to an Optimate or Datatool battery conditioner?.
 
How was the battery on yer bike, rocketman?. Was it starting ok previously with no issues or was it struggling a wee bit?. Do you normally leave it connected up to an Optimate or Datatool battery conditioner?.

Thats a good point, i am rather lazy about keeping my battery charged right up, i would guess it wont help a sprag clutch hehe, i also heard starting the bike with the throttle open will destroy sprag clutches fast.. sounds cool though :devious

If it is the sprag clutch then doing anything to make starting easier would be good, and crappy spark plugs make starting slower and harder so they could be indirectly related :dowhat maybe... i still say its worth replacing them first before commiting to the more lengthy investigations, we can but hope its not a major engine problem.

Let us know what you come up with, i'd certainly be interested to know exactly what it turns out to be because like i said... my bike does something similar :eek:
 
well after talking with a friend i put a small magnet down the spark plug hole, and i ended up pulling out a piece of metal about 1 cm long, 5 mm wide, and 1 mm thick. needless to say i will have to drop the motor. any ideas as to what it could be?
 
hopefully not a piece of metal snapped off the sprag clutch... i am pretty sure i have seen that happen to someone before, and when they drained all the oil from the engine loads of metal flakes etc came out with it.

other things i have heard of is valves snapping off, how was the gearbox last time you rode? if its feeling a little shagged it might even be something from in there

from the size of it, it isnt likely to be off the spark plug, but it may well be what smashed it up
 
if you pulled a piece of metal out from the spark plug hole, it can only be one thing. a piece of valve head. not good. that explains the clanging sound, and the fact you cant turn the engine past TDC. if this is the case the cylinder head will be in a bad way as well as the piston.
 
well i pulled the motor today, and yanked off the head and cylinder. it appears to have been a screw that got into the cylinder. i found loads more bits of metal in the cylinder, and fused to the head and piston. much to my dismay the cylinder has cracked, both exhaust valves are bent, and the piston looks to need replacing. does anyone happen to have any of these piece for sale?
 
Ouch mate, really sorry to hear that.

Am sure some1 on here will have bits around the house that you need.
 
head for sale

Sorry for you rocketman, I have found someone with a cylinder head for sale, cheap on e-bay, ad # 230250729907 , seller = fastfrank38. he's in the USA. Selling for $85 +$50 for shipping, not from a RSV, but should fit, go have a look, hope it helps, sale finish in 1 day. :thumbup
 
well i pulled the motor today, and yanked off the head and cylinder. it appears to have been a screw that got into the cylinder. i found loads more bits of metal in the cylinder, and fused to the head and piston. much to my dismay the cylinder has cracked, both exhaust valves are bent, and the piston looks to need replacing. does anyone happen to have any of these piece for sale?

FU%KING HELL. I really feel for ya mate. That sounds expensive.:bawling:bawling:bawling:bawling:bawling
 
sorry to hear the bad news, did you find out where the screw came from as you stripped it. is it something that worked loose from a throttle body, or had you had the air box off previously and possibly dropped /left a screw in the air box.
 
the previous owner had taken off the top of the air box, and only put the screws that hold the top on finger tight
 
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