Latest abuse of civil liberties

What do people think about this latest attack on civil liberties then?

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/N...ty-for-leading-rideout/Post.aspx?R=EPI-120282

''Sorry officer, I didn't they were there,I'm just out for a ride '' would surely be the first response.

Swiftly followed by NOW **** OFF AND DO SOMETHING USEFULL !! :jack

How can this be right ? or even legal? I have no control over what someone 200 mtres behind me does,how can we held accountable?

Are we also responsible if the last guy has a small plate? or loud can ? or dodgy tyre? if not then why not? under this ruling.

This country is in terminal decline,we are all ****** !!

Even Jeffrey Archer couldn't have written this sort of script and survived the ridicule,WTF is happening here?

This country is going to the dogs, I'm going emigrate to somewhere that coppers can't be arsed to harass innocent bikers cause they are stuffed to the gills on cheese and wine. :dunno

Tim, get that spare room made up. :doug

caterpillar said:

. Knowing MCN there is probably more than meets the eye here....

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Now I agree with that....BUT, at the end of the day that IS the legal ruling it seems. Once a precedent is set that's what the rulings default to as I understand it.

I've just been looking over the comments on the MCN website,some sense,some usual ********.

I don't buy More Crap Nonsense due to their journalistic drivel,a mate of mine told me about it and I looked on their web site to see what it was about.

Strange thing is he was a police/advanced trained rider doing what must of us probably do,take some liberties with the speed limit when safe to do so.

How he can be convicted of doing 103mph when they agree HIS speed didn't exceed 85 is a mystery to me.

Was he also responsible if the last rider crossed double whites? maybe the car behind had a driver texting,was he responsible for that as well?

OF COURSE NOT... he was only responsible for control of his own machine and setting his own speed.

Lunatics are running the asylum now..........no question :jack:jack:jack:jack:jack:jack:jack

Yes,you're right 103 was the speed of the chasing cop. However how can the lead rider ''set the pace'' ? it is up to the following rider (s) to ride to THEIR pace and use due discretion.

If the lead rider pulls ahead most people would pull over somewhere up the road and wait,or if the destination was known to all then carry on and see the rest when they arrived.

Do you blindly overtake just because the lead rider did ? or do you use your experience etc to judge whether conditions make it safe for YOU? I bet it was the latter.

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Ken Clark, 49, reached 85mph on his Yamaha R1 while leading a group of three riders on the 60mph A272 near Rogate, Sussex, last June.
The speed is within the usual threshold for a fixed penalty of three points and a £60 fine.


But Chichester Crown Court ruled he should receive the same penalty as a following rider accused of going 103mph.


Barrister notes on the ruling given to Clark after the hearing state: ‘Although his was the lesser speed, [the bench] found it an aggravating feature that he was the lead motorcyclist, was setting the pace and he knew that the other two motorcyclists would want to catch him up and would be speeding to do so.’

WTF ?? it would only need a couple of slick overtakes at legal speed to open a considerable gap,brings a whole new dimension to the phrase ''Riding/driving for everone else on the road ''



The court rejected Clark’s appeal against six points, a £100 fine and £250 court costs.
Clark said: “This should have been three points and a £60 fine but so far it’s cost me £2,500 including solicitors’ bills and I have six points on a licence which has been clean for the last 24 years.”



Clark’s solicitor, Philip Somarakis, said 103mph was the speed reached by a police officer on an unmarked bike while tailing Clark's two friends, but the prosecution accepted it was not possible to prove from video evidence that Clark himself had exceeded 85mph.



“The gist of the ruling is that to be a lead motorcyclist makes you somehow responsible for the actions of those behind you,” he added.

And this cannot be right !

What's next? The Thought Police? ......I do hope not as I would be in prison for the rest of my natural for the thoughts I'm thinking about this country these days.:rant

Hmm,wasn't our recently retired CC (that **** Brunstrom) in charge of national policy about this time? Seems to have his smell about it. :jack

Strangely I had a phone call today from the advisory body that he set up before he went,they wanted to know how the police were doing and where local people thought the emphasis should be concentrated.

Actually it was my daughters opinion they wanted really but as she had the sense to leave the country and move to Austria they were out of luck.

As a poor second choice they wanted to interview me instead ( obviously didn't want to waste a phone call) I was wondering how to tell her what I really thought about them without using words she'd probably not heard before when she decided I was too old !!!! Apparently they had enough opinions from my age group.

Pity I'd like to have it put put on an official record somewhere.:devious