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Helmet Discussion

Joined Jun 2007
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Ampang, Malaysia
Lets see pics of your helmet n discuss about it..pro n cons..maybe can help other selecting a new helmet.

mine..Caberg Solo
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KBC VR-2 Assassin.

Noisy. Comfy though. Much better than my old HJC. Whistles like hell. Would buy again though cos it's a great helmet for the price.

 
Shoei XR-1000 Patroit.
I have a Shoei shaped head, not an Arai shaped one. Comfortable to wear, light and not too noisy

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shameless plug advocatt :laugh

i've been rolling in this Arai Quantum...i'm just about due for a new lid...dunno what to get, another arai? a suomy? something else? :O



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some facts to share:

How To Care For Your Helmet

While your helmet is designed to absorb the impact of an accident, it is important to replace it after significant impact. Such stress results in cracks and unseen structural damage that could compromise protection on the next impact. Because damage to a helmet is not easy to spot, manufacturers recommend that you replace your helmet after 5 years when UV light and weathering have weakened the helmet's structure.

Helmet Care Tips

- Avoid suspending your helmet from handlebars or brake levers. This may cause accidental dents and scratches.

- It is best to keep your helmet on your head even during short rest stops.

- When not wearing your helmet, keep it in a protected area such as a shelf or closet.

- It is best to store your helmet in the box in which it came or a nylon gear bag.

- Do not toss your helmet in the back seat or trunk of a car, especially on hot days. The helmet may be damaged if it rolls or is subjeted to high temperatures.

- Do not use petroleum-based solvents or automotive wax to clean or polish your helmet. These chemicals may destroy the helmet. Always use water-soluble cleansers.

- Helmets with worn or frayed straps should be replaced.

Source: CBS Sport
 
this is why you should wear your helmet..

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Motorcycle Helmet Sizing, Shapes and Comfort
Choosing a motorcycle helmet would be easy if it was simply matter of picking out a size and a color. Unfortunately, different brands of helmets or even different models within the same brand can have a completely different fit and feel – and cost has nothing to do with it, because some of the least inexpensive helmets will fit and feel better than helmets costing twice as much or more.

Apparently, many motorcyclists don’t realize that in addition to size, motorcycle helmets come in a variety of different internal shapes. Shape is one of the most important factors to understand when purchasing a motorcycle helmet. Helmets are expensive, and if you can only own one, it should be the highest quality, best fitting helmet you can find within your budget constraints (we'll discuss head shapes in more detail below).

In fact, it's almost impossible to find the "perfect" fit, or even an acceptable fit, without trying on at least several different helmets and wearing each one for an extended period of time. Even a helmet that feels great in the shop may feel like a medieval torture device after only a few minutes on a motorcycle. Obviously, the problem of finding a helmet with the correct fit will be compounded when purchasing from an online vendor, because the sale is usually completed without actually seeing the helmet and without trying it on.

Safety is the primary reason for wearing a motorcycle helmet, but one of the most important factors to consider when purchasing a new helmet is comfort. Any protection that a helmet can offer is of no value if it is too uncomfortable to wear.

We have a wacky theory for why people like to ride motorcycles, and it goes like this: The act of riding is a form of meditation, because the concentration that's required to safely ride a motorcycle tends to focus the mind in a way that eliminates other mental distractions that might interfere with the mission. This creates a single-mindedness that, in effect, displaces the continuous stream of thoughts that normally flow through our consciousness.

Thoughts about what to eat, who to meet, and worries about the common stresses of everyday life, such as pressures from work and home, disappear from our minds during the ride, because the concentration that's necessary to focus on the ride pushes those thoughts far into the background. The result is that the mind becomes refreshed after a ride just like it would after a session of formal meditation or a relaxing vacation.

Just like some people get "hooked" on meditation, motorcyclists get hooked on riding because of the mental relief that it brings. I wouldn't be surprised if someone discovers that endorphins or something are released during the act of riding. I'm sure you've noticed that you can't "zone out" on a motorcycle like you can when driving a car. Riding safe means being focused and alert at all times – which is one of the reasons why it's so important to stop and rest at frequent intervals when riding a motorcycle on a long trip.

What does this have to do with motorcycle helmets? The high levels of concentration and focus that are necessary to pilot a motorcycle mean that any distraction, no matter how subtle, can actually become a safety hazard. To borrow from Keith Code in his book "A Twist of the Wrist", you start out with, say, $10.00 worth of concentration. You can't have any more, but you certainly can have a lot less.

Start taking away a few bucks here and a few bucks there, and before you know it, your subconscious stress levels are building and you're focusing more on the distractions than on the ride. Some distractions may be barely noticeable at first, such as an uncomfortable glove, a leather motorcycle jacket arm that has a slight binding, or a wet boot. But enough distractions can cause a 5 dollar loss of concentration just when you need all 10 bucks worth. Since lack of concentration and focus is one of the causes of motorcycle accidents, this becomes a serious issue.

This is confirmed by the famous Hurt study of the causes of motorcycle accidents. The study found that approximately one-fourth of the motorcycle accidents were single vehicle accidents involving the motorcycle colliding with the roadway or some fixed object in the environment. Of these accidents, the majority were caused by rider error, typically a "slideout" (their words) and fall due to over-braking or running wide on a curve due to excess speed or under-cornering. How many of these accidents are caused due to a loss of concentration on the job at hand?

We're not claiming that a comfortable motorcycle helmet can prevent motorcycle accidents. But the goal should certainly be to create an environment that minimizes unnecessary distractions by trying to gain as comfort as possible during the ride.

Comfort has several factors. For example, the material that makes up the motorcycle helmet's liner should feel comfortable against the skin. The internal padding of the helmet should act as a comfortable cushion between the head and the helmet internals, and the liner shape should perfectly match your head shape. The perfect helmet would be so comfortable that the rider would forget that it’s there.

The internal helmet shell structure on poorly designed helmets can have protrusions or shapes that press through the padding and into a sensitive area on your head and cause pain, rawness and headaches, so there should be no pressure points from these areas. The chin strap should be comfortable and have smooth padding that doesn't rub the neck. The visor should have an opening that doesn't block the vision and which can be easily adjusted for air flow. And the helmet shouldn't be too hot or too drafty.

In our experience, it can take at least up to an hour of actual riding to determine whether a motorcycle helmet will have an acceptable level of comfort. Therefore, we recommend that you try before you buy. Forget about being self-conscious, and try wearing the helmet at a local motorcycle shop for at least 30 to 45 minutes to minimally determine if it will be comfortable.

Many helmets will feel comfortable (or not) for the first minute or so, but be aware of any "hot spots" or pressure points that develop over time. Make sure there's enough front-to-back room so that the chin isn’t pressing up against the inside of the chin bar. Try clenching your teeth -- the helmet should provide enough room for you to keep your mouth closed without undue discomfort. And buckle it up, to see how the attachment system works and to make sure the chin strap is acceptable.

Note that a comfortable fit in the motorcycle shop still can't duplicate the riding experience, because of factors like noise and wind pressure that can greatly affect helmet fit and comfort, but it's better than buying a helmet site unseen.
 
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Know Your Head Shape
Although human heads have an infinite variety of shapes and sizes, they unfortunately can't be custom ordered or exchanged - at least not quite yet! You're stuck with what you came with.

It's our opinion that head shapes can be grouped into five basic categories. It's important to know what your head shape is and which helmet brand and model will fit by matching your head shape to the helmet's internal shape. Not every helmet will fit the same, and almost every helmet brand and model is different.

This isn't to say that head shapes only match these categories. Like many natural occurrences, head shapes fit into a normal distribution. There are very narrow, “long oval” head shapes, and there are very wide “earth” head shapes, and every combination in between. It's possible to have combinations of any and all of these shapes in an infinite number of variations.

Fortunately, many motorcycle helmets are available with internal shapes that roughly match these four head categories. Some helmets can be slightly modified with optional padding available from the manufacturer. The problem is that there doesn't seem to be much logic to the design of motorcycle helmet internals, especially at the lower price points. Color, graphics and cool-looking features apparently drive sales, rather than important factors like comfort, shape and perceived noise levels.

Keep in mind that there is no universally recognized standard for describing head and helmet shapes, and, in fact, there are probably helmet manufacturers who will disagree with our opinions regarding the most common shapes. For example, manufacturers might be concerned about liability problems if they sold one of their "round" helmets to someone with, for example, an "oval" shaped head.

If the rider became injured in a fall, who knows what liability issues might arise? The bottom line is that if a manufacturer claims that their helmet is designed for a round head, there's no real way of knowing what they mean by "round".

Profit issues motivate the helmet manufacturers, especially at the lower end, to sell helmets with a generic shape that will meet the minimum fit requirements for the maximum number of potential customers. This is an important factor, because the generic internal helmet shape may not fit your individual head.

This problem is compounded because each helmet manufacturer may have a slightly different idea of the generic shape, and each model within a brand can fit differently than its shelf mates. That's why the chances of finding a good fit increase as the number of different brands and models of helmet are tried on prior to purchase.

Some manufacturers, like Arai, have developed helmet models that are specifically engineered to fit different head shapes, and they use this as a market differentiator. As far as we know, Arai is the only manufacturer to capitalize on internal helmet shapes as a selling point. It remains a mystery as to why other manufacturers don't exploit this obvious market need, or at least offer a variety of helmet liners for riders to develop their own semi-custom shapes.

Note that our description of helmet head shapes is different than Arai's. Arai describes their head shapes based on head circumference (front to back or side to side). Our head shapes (illustrated above) show the head in an elevation plan view; i.e., looking at the head from the front or back. Our opinion is that matching our described head profile to the helmet is crucial for a comfortable fit, and most helmets vary in the elevation view dimensions than they do for circumference.

However, both methods of describing head shapes are not incompatible. For example, Arai states: "The traditional Arai fit - the "Long Oval" - For heads whose length is distinctly narrow side-to-side, combined with a longer front to back measurement". Consider that a side-to-side profile is similar to what is described in our illustrations by looking at the head shape from head-on.

Our descriptions are based on years of experience with several webBikeWorld evaluators who help with the product reviews. We evaluate many helmets during the course of a year, which helps us develop a good understanding of shapes. And our feeling is that the top-to-bottom head shape is very important with regards to fit.

Don't forget that all the information we provide is our opinion, based on experience, and your experience may differ!

Anyway, back to the five categories of head shapes. We've arbitrarily labeled the different head shape groupings and have given them the following descriptions (in no particular order):
 
Round - Shape A in the matrix above.

*Oval - Sometimes known as "long oval", which is said to be the most common American head shape;

*Earth - The Earth shaped head is somewhat wider in the middle, approximately near the temples;

*Egg - Wider at the top and narrower at the bottom.

*Reverse Egg - Slightly narrower at the top than at the bottom.

These are the designations we use to define helmet shapes in webBikeWorld helmet reviews. For example, it may be our opinion that a particular motorcycle helmet's shape is best suited for round shaped heads, like the OGK FF-3. The FF-3 fits my round/earth shaped head just about perfectly. But don't forget that not all heads -- or helmets -- exactly fit these arbitrary shape definitions.

Another example is the Shoei X-11. It's our opinion that this helmet will fit a round/oval head shape best. Here's the disclaimer: the manufacturers of these and any other helmets that we review may completely disagree with us. Don't forget, we usually only see one example of one helmet model, so your experience may be different than ours. But we think we have enough experience with a wide variety of helmet shapes and designs to be pretty sure about the way we call it.

Remember that in the absence of scientific proof, discussions about motorcycle helmets are simply opinion, and ours is just that. Your experience may be completely different than ours regarding motorcycle helmet fit, perceptions of noise levels, air flow and any other factor.

Safety
The webBikeWorld Motorcycle Safety page has much more information on issues related to motorcycle and helmet safety, including links to articles and information on helmet safety standards and testing. And don't forget to visit the webBikeWorld Motorcycle Books page, with information and reviews on books about motorcycle riding, racing and skill development for new and seasoned riders. The motorcycle riding skills books are very popular webBikeWorld destinations.

Standards and Certifications
Here's a brief discussion of the three most common helmet safety standards and certifications: DOT, Snell and ECE 22.05. More information can be found on the Motorcycle Safety page.

The most common certification on motorcycle helmets in the U.S.A. is the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) certification. A listing of U.S. DOT approved helmets is available for download from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA).

To obtain the right to place the "DOT" sticker on the back of a motorcycle helmet, the manufacturer must meet The Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS) known as FMVSS 218 (49CFR571.218). FMVSS 218 describes in great detail the requirements for "DOT" certification of all helmets sold in the United States for use by motorcyclists. Helmets that do not meet the minimal DOT certification standards may not be sold as "motorcycle helmets" in the U.S.A.

The Snell Memorial Foundation is an additional certification source intended to provide testing and "Snell" certification to a different standard than FMVSS 218. The Snell certification doesn't replace the DOT certification and is in fact a voluntary standard.

As of this writing, the Snell certification is called M2000. Snell also lists a comparison of DOT vs. Snell vs. BSI 6658:1985 vs. ECE 22.05 requirements for certification.

All motorcycle helmets sold in the U.S.A. must be DOT certified, but they are not required to be Snell certified. A motorcycle helmet that carries both DOT and Snell certification may have gone through different testing schemes, but may not necessarily be superior to helmets that carry only the DOT certification, although many motorcyclists look for both DOT and Snell certification. Snell publishes a listing of motorcycle helmets that are Snell certified on their website.

There's some level of controversy regarding which standard or testing regime is the "best", and it gets more complicated if you consider the European ECE 22.05 standard. For example, it's our understanding that Snell uses an edge anvil test that is not required for DOT certification.

You may hear different opinions about this particular test, and some manufacturers claim that a helmet designed to meet the Snell edge anvil test may end up being heavier than the same model designed to meet DOT-only or ECE 22.05.

Heavier helmets may not be as desirable as lighter helmets (see below), and may cause different types of trauma in case of an accident.

One more certification that you may also come across is the British Standards Institute (BSI) standard BSI 6658:1985. It's our understanding that this certification is being superseded by ECE 22.05.

Motorcycle Helmets and Perceived Noise
Helmet noise is a topic unto itself, and we have recently developed an entire page devoted to this subject (the section on helmet noise formerly seen here has been moved to the new page). See the wBW Motorcycle Helmet Noise page for more information and for a comparison of motorcycle helmet noise levels. We have started to experiment with recording helmet noise, and you can download MP3 files that were recorded in stereo inside a helmet while riding.

Also, be sure and visit the webBikeWorld Earplugs and Hearing Protection page for information about choosing and wearing earplugs and for a listing of webBikeWorld earplug reviews. Helmet noise can be somewhat mitigated with a wind blocker; read the webBikeWorld review of the Windjammer helmet wind blocker
 
Venting
Back in the old days, motorcyclists didn't have to worry about venting and air flow, because all helmets were open-face. Bell claims to have designed the first full-face helmet in 1966, and full-face helmets started appearing on the heads of motorcyclists in the 1970's. The first full-face helmets were heavy and they had shapes that made the rider look something like a deep-sea diver. Venting? Sure, open the visor!

Motorcycle helmet air vents now come in all shapes and sizes, and the flow of air through a helmet is considered to be an important comfort factor.

No standard for vent shapes exists and there doesn't seem to be any particular system that works better than others. The most common air flow methods used are variations on chin bar vents, top vents and exhaust vents in the back of the helmet.

Unfortunately, the efficacy of a helmet's venting system can only be judged during a ride, not in the motorcycle shop. It's impossible to comment on the design or number of vents and their effectiveness without trying the helmet, either behind a fairing or windscreen or on a "naked" bike.

Some features to consider include simple opening and closing mechanisms that can be easily and smoothly operated with gloved hands and that positively shut off air flow, and direct paths for the air to flow on to the rider's face or head.

Visibility
There's a myth that's perpetrated by the anti-helmet law faction that claims that motorcycle helmets decrease peripheral vision. The truth is that no motorcycle helmet would last very long in the marketplace if it blocked the owner's view of the road. Every full-face helmet that any of us have ever tried had an opening wider than our peripheral vision. This is easy enough to check when trying on a helmet.

Some helmets have a greater top-to-bottom vertical visor height than others. Sportbike owners sometimes need wide visors due to the lower handlebars and the sportbike "crouch" necessary when riding, so keep this in mind when choosing a helmet.

Helmet Attachments and Straps
The tried-and-true "D-ring" attachment system is widely used, very reliable and is used on every racing helmet that we are aware of. Other "quick release" systems have been developed, but like trying to build a better mousetrap, none have improved on this basic attachment system, and most are more complicated, failure prone, and fussy to operate. Our advice is to stick with the D-ring system.

A D-ring is infinitely adjustable and there are no springs to wear out or plastic and metal latches to break. All of the quick release mechanisms we've tried make it very hard to adjust the tightness of the helmet straps. Accessory quick release latches that are user installed should also be avoided, because they can add too much length to the helmet's strap, making it difficult to adjust correctly. Our opinion is that quick release latches are a solution in search of a problem.

One thing to look for is a button or Velcro attachment for the extra piece of chin strap that's usually left dangling after the helmet is secured. Sometimes, this extra piece can be tucked up under the attached chin strap, but it's usually more comfortable to have a method of securing the end of the strap. Make sure you know how your system works and that it fits correctly before purchasing the helmet.

Liner
Motorcycle helmet liners can vary in design, comfort, materials and shape. Since the liner is the primary interface between the rider's head and the helmet, make sure that it's compatible with your needs. Most liners feel comfortable the first time the helmet is worn; if it doesn't, that's a sure sign of problems later on. Make sure there are no "hot spots" or pressure points, especially against the temples, forehead and cheeks. This is where it pays to try the helmet on in the local shop.

We recommend purchasing a helmet liner "skull cap". These are usually specially designed for wearing under a motorcycle helmet, and they're very inexpensive. They can usually be found made from either silk or cotton; both work well, and we'd avoid anything that isn't made from 100% natural fibers. They can help keep the helmet liner clean and can improve comfort. Silk liners are especially comfortable and can be found in Balaclava style for cool-weather riding.

Weight
NOTE: The motorcycle helmet weight comparison chart is now on the wBW Motorcycle Helmet Weights page. This page also includes a discussion about motorcycle helmet weight factors.

Color

Helmet colors are a personal choice, but remember that the ability to be seen in traffic is one of the most important safety issues to consider. A rider's motorcycle helmet is usually the highest point on the motorcycle, so a bright color that is visible to traffic has the potential of going a long way towards increasing visibility.

Some motorcycle helmets were once available in a "Safety Orange" color that was helped make the rider really stand out in traffic. Unfortunately, the trend seems to be in the opposite direction; we've even seen motorcycle helmets available in a green or gray camouflage pattern. Our opinion is that these and other dark or matte helmet colors should definitely be avoided.

Modular or "Flip-Up" Motorcycle Helmets
Volumes could be written on the subject of flip-up helmets. They can be especially useful for motorcyclists who wear eyeglasses, because it is sometimes easier to fit the eyeglasses under the helmet prior to closing the visor. Unfortunately, the pace of evolution for flip-up helmets by the motorcycle helmet manufacturers seems to be much slower and more deliberate than for other helmet styles. Some flip-up helmets are ECE 22-05 certified, and many are DOT approved in the U.S.A., but the Snell Memorial Foundation has not, as of this writing, certified any flip-up helmets.

There are also no studies that we are aware of that compare the differences in potential safety between open-face, flip-up and full-face helmets. Unfortunately, the result is that the motorcyclist is on their own when trying to make a purchasing decision relative to the efficacy of this type of helmet. This can lead to decisions made solely on the basis of marketing hype.

What's not so black and white is which standards offer better protection for the rider. Just about every helmet available in Europe is also available as a DOT-approved model in the U.S. The helmets I am skeptical about are the ones that are originally designed to meet ECE approval and then are re-designed to also be Snell approved. Personally, I'd much rather wear a DOT only or DOT/ECE helmet. In my opinion, there's nothing at all wrong with DOT standards and, in fact, the article indicates that DOT approved helmets may offer just as much protection.

Until a respected, neutral third party conducts ongoing scientific work, combined with statistics from real accident follow-ups, we'll probably never know which helmets offer better protection. I, for one, would be willing to pay a motorcycle tax on every motorcycle related product I buy that would go into a fund to support such work.

Conclusion
Know before you buy. Learn all the facts. Don't buy a motorcycle helmet based on perceived image or marketing hype. It's important to try on a helmet and wear it for an extended period of time to compare fit and feel. Wear earplugs. And wear the helmet on every ride!
 
Interesting reading..

I will have a propper scan through when I next need to buy a Helmet. just got the other half an AGV cos it fitted her the best out of the ones she tried on. I have an AGV too but I got that free so didn't have a choice. The only thing I dont like about it is the buckle. I much prefere a propper D ring rather than the seat belt clip style.
 
I have never had an Arai. Tried one on and they seem to fit fine but I could never see what you were paying an extra £200 over other makes that offered very much the same. I would like to hear others peoples opinions thought.
 
arais are amongst the best cos if you crash in them you can walk away without even a headach,I know I have crash tested them on three occasions(doh), although my last crash wrote of a Suomy hawaiian lid, it worked admirably even thouogh it was 150 quid cheaper thna the plain black corsair I paid 450 for.Plus you pay for more effective venting, less wind drag and less weight. For once, you get what you pay for.
cheers CC
 
give this a try!
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WOW!


Caberg Integralli 104 Groove (Black and Red)

I have a sister-in-law in Italy and I'm asking her to buy this helmet for me. I think it will be cheaper in Italy co'z Caberg is Italian made.

Would love to have this lid.

Cheers
Jojo :thumbup
 
I have a Vemar VSR, previous lid was an RF900. The Vemar is lighter, cooler, better looking, noiser and leaks a lot of air/water around the facesheild - guess thats the difference from Italy to Japan:laugh

 
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