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What an ar*e..I slow for forward facing anyway, as if we all speed through them, it'll just give the authorities more excuse to crack down on us..

But..It just shows the length the Police will go to track down a speeder..Pity they don't put as much time and effort into catching other criminal acts..
 
if they spent all that time into catching other criminals? ?? what a crazy thought, that would only make sense and everyone knows they aint that crafty!
 
:coocoo 7 flippin times in one month..the bloody pillick :coocoo..and wheelie @ the camera...:dunnoffs has he got eyes in his head coz there ain't no sense, thats like blatantly going fcuk you occifer. Then as yer say, the bill comes hunting all sport bike owners....personally, i hope they do throw the book at him..friggin tools as that screw it for everyone :rantnuff said
 
:coocoo 7 flippin times in one month..the bloody pillick :coocoo..and wheelie @ the camera...:dunnoffs has he got eyes in his head coz there ain't no sense, thats like blatantly going fcuk you occifer. Then as yer say, the bill comes hunting all sport bike owners....personally, i hope they do throw the book at him..friggin tools as that screw it for everyone :rantnuff said

:thumbup to that Aus
heres another prick getting us a bad name .
http://www.sussex.police.uk/news_feed/index.asp?id=24911

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Rawly
 
What an ar*e..I slow for forward facing anyway, as if we all speed through them, it'll just give the authorities more excuse to crack down on us..

But..It just shows the length the Police will go to track down a speeder..Pity they don't put as much time and effort into catching other criminal acts..

1000% agree! It just gives them more ammo to screw us over and before you know it we'll either have to have front plates (somehow) or all the cameras will be rear facing. Personally I think we have a bit of margin for error with front facing camera's as I doubt the fuzz would do as much "detective" work for a bike snapped at say 50 in a 40 as they did to catch this guy who was clearly a pillock. Plus if you're in a car you'd just get a fine and points, job done for the cops so I definitely think we have a bit of an advantage. Subsequently I always slow for front facing cameras as I don't want to give the government/cops a reason to crack down and lose that tiny advantage.
 
:thumbup to that Aus
heres another prick getting us a bad name .
http://www.sussex.police.uk/news_feed/index.asp?id=24911

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Rawly

Im not going to defend the guy but i do wonder why that pursuit was allowed to go on for so long when the following police officer had to make some very tight overtake manoeuvres to keep up. :dunno

The only thing i can think is that they were allowing him more rope at a risk to public safety to hang himself with. :jack

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The method of riding was considered so extreme by investigating officers from the Sussex Road Policing Unit that normal stopping procedures were not considered appropriate. Instead, the rider was safely tracked using unmarked cars and an unmarked motorcycle in order to gather evidence to support a prosecution

I guess they needed that extreme evidence because he was doing it daily.
 
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I call that causing and permitting..the cop was making him think they were racing...and then let him break the law many times...that could have been stopped alot earlier.
 
I'd have to agree on the entrapment. Listen to the police rider when he is asked near the beginning as to whether he was "comfortable" to continue and his remarks on the riders ability......

The potential for an accident throughout the filming is extremely high and is endangering to other road users, yet they allowed him to continue. Is that what they call effective policing? Supporting evidence for a prosecution was obtained within the first few minutes. They needed no further evidence.

Would a plain clothes police officer follow a man with a gun running through a town centre to obtain further evidence through observation in light of the potential danger to members of the public? Can you hear the plain clothes officer saying the gunmans target ability isn't very good and we'll keep on following him? I think not.

The rider was breaking the law consistently, he should have been made aware of the unmarked vehicle behind him at the earliest opportunity to give him the choice of what to do next. If you watch the video you can see when the police rider comes up behind a car in the outside lane of the dual carriageway that he has some form of police lighting on the bike as the rear of the car lights up and moves over. The police cannot argue that he would of continued in the same manner when they didn't give him the choice. All he knew was that he had another bike behind him carrying out the exact same movements. That in my book is called compliance.

As an additional point, any public road user would have tarnished the police rider with the same brush had they been asked, since they were also not aware that it was an unmarked police bike.

Don't get me wrong, he broke the law and deserved to have the book thrown at him. What he didn't deserve was to be not given a choice to continue or to stop his actions.

As for the rider with the forward facing camera, he had choice and decided to continually flaunt the cameras. More fool him.
 
agreed i think i could amend my orginal post to two pricks giving us a bad name !!!! :thumbup

Rawly
 
Agree with CP..The guy obviously doesn't know it's a cop behind, and no doubt believes he's having a tussle with another biker. The cops should have put the blues on but choose not to and let it go on far far too long..Entrapment is the name of the game..
The cops get a buzz out of riding/driving fast and have admitted as much..

Thinking today about the first one too..Cameras have a red rag to the bull effect, I feel the same way over CCTV hate the thought I'm being watched all the time, and as such cameras can make people behave out of character..


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Britain's booming speed camera network is at the centre of a giant 'scam' aimed at making 'buckets of money' for the Government, the boss of a leading supplier of the devices has admitted.
Watch our undercover report on the great speed camera scam here
The sensational confession was made by the chief executive of Tele-Traffic, which supplies cameras to virtually every police force in Britain.
His unguarded comments, made to an undercover reporter posing as a prospective buyer of speed cameras, will add new weight to the public's perception that the gadgets are designed more for making money than improving road safety.
The Tele-Traffic boss, Jon Bond, who was until a few months ago the police Chief Superintendent in charge of speed cameras in Warwickshire, urged our reporter to place an order and promised: 'There will be so much money coming in you won't know what to do with it.'
He and his colleagues revealed how:
So many motorists are being snared that courts are struggling to process the sheer volume of cheques sent to pay fines.
Tele-Traffic is run by former traffic police who offer to introduce customers to currently serving officers willing to give advice on the products.
The Government manipulates the speed camera system so that the Treasury rakes in the multi-million-pound profits without the cash going back to improve roads.
The Mail on Sunday posed as the London agents for an Eastern European firm keen to establish a speed camera network in their own country. We asked how the cameras operated in Britain - and the answers we received will shock many, but also confirm the darkest suspicions of millions of motorists.
The Tele-Traffic team encouraged our reporters to site any cameras they bought where they could catch 'businessmen in the morning and school-run mums in the afternoon.'
Setting up cameras in new areas was the equivalent of having 'a blank cheque book', they said, guaranteeing 'when you first set up you will have lots of offences, you will have bucketfuls'.
Britain's speed camera system is run by more than 40 regional road safety partnerships, made up of representatives from police, courts and councils.
The partnerships are funded by the Department of Transport, which demands that each region gives target figures for the number of motorists they plan to catch speeding over the next year. If these targets are not met, then Whitehall cuts the size of its funding.
This has the effect of making the local partnership set low targets, rather than risk losing cash by falling short of predictions. And that is good news for the Government, since the system is geared so that any extra fines go to the Treasury.
Warwickshire, for example, had set a target of issuing 80,000 tickets in a year. Under the recently amended rules all the revenue from the fines goes to central government, with a portion of it returned to local authorities and to fund the road safety partnerships.
If Warwickshire only managed to catch 60,000 motorists, then the local partnership would have to make good the shortfall itself so it dare not undershoot. If, however, it fined 100,000 motorists, then all revenue from the additional 20,000 fines would disappear to the Treasury.
So although it might appear that the Government's rules are intended to encourage partnerships - to set low targets and therefore not persecute an excessive number of motorists - the practical effect of them is to ensure that the targets are regularly broken and more, rather than fewer, motorists are ensnared.
And although it escapes any of the blame, the Government picks up all the profits.
Further, partnerships that easily overshoot their targets one year can set higher ones the next, so growing their empires.
Mr Bond claimed that the Government was so keen to increase this revenue that it announced changes to the rules last year.
Instead of fines going directly to fund the partnerships, that money will, from 2007, go direct to the Treasury. Whitehall will then allocate funds for road safety to local authorities to use as part of their general transport plan, in theory breaking the link between fines and revenue.
'This was done so the Government wasn't perceived to be revenue raising,' explained Mr Bond. 'But the reality is that the Government is actually raking off even more money than before. They are giving less money to the partnerships than they would have received through the old operation. So it's all a scam - it's smoke and mirrors.
'The Treasury cannot lose and they get the cash while the camera operators are the ones who get all the criticism. Brilliant, really.'
But successful partnerships do rake in increased grants, enabling them to engage more staff, move into bigger premises and methodically expand their empires. The result is an ever-burgeoning speed camera industry in which central Government, local worthies and gadget suppliers all have a stake. But it costs the motorist millions of pounds in fines, plus immeasurable inconvenience.
Again, critics said yesterday, road safety is forgotten. The speed camera system is a scandal that is all about hitting targets, building local empires and raising money for Government.
Paul Smith, of the motorist organisation Safespeed, said: 'This Mail on Sunday investigation has given us the first glimpse of the secret society behind the world of camera partnerships and the private firms which are picking up lucrative contracts from them.
'In Tele-Traffic you are showing us a company which has become a virtual retirement home for police officers. I believe that now this Pandora's box has been opened there will be more to come.'
Tele-Traffic UK supplies 97 per cent of the country's police forces with portable laser cameras which are hand-held or set up in special roving police vans.
Mr Bond's partners are Peter Gay, a former PC and now the firm's customer service manager, and Mike Ricketts, another former policeman.
Posing as foreign businessmen, The Mail on Sunday met them over dinner in a Michelin-starred restaurant at a five-star hotel in the Cotswolds.
At the beginning of the meeting the Tele-Traffic team stressed the importance of speed cameras in promoting road safety. But then the trio began to speak more openly about the 'revenue raising', truth behind the cameras and that remained the dominant theme of the evening.
Mr Bond at least is well qualified in that respect. Five years ago he set up the Warwickshire Safety Camera Partnership, which has a website mockingly called 'smilecamera. co.uk'. But Mr Bond admitted that during his tenure as chairman of the Warwickshire partnership the number of cameras in that county doubled and the courts were swamped with cheques from speeding motorists.
Mr Bond, who is due to address the annual conference of the Association of Chief Police Officers this week, said: 'The beauty of the mobile units we sell is their flexibility. They will catch businessmen going into work in the morning and school-run mums in the afternoon.
'There will be so much money coming in you won't know what to do with it.' Asked how Tele-Traffic could guarantee a return on the cost of their cameras, Mr Gay laughed and said: 'You are going to get your revenue. That, at the end of the day, is not a problem.'
Mr Bond said: 'The money will come in in buckets, a promise repeated during the course of the evening by his colleagues, who also spoke in terms of generating 'buckets' of money.
So much so, said Mr Bond, that the courts - which process fines and issue the points on a driver's licence - have been struggling to cope with all the cheques. Again, he made clear that the speed camera industry was all about meeting targets rather than preventing accidents.
He said: 'It will be too much for you to cope with. It will be too many offences - you won't be able to cope with them.
'In Warwickshire last year we issued 80,000 tickets when we could probably have done double that number. But we couldn't because the courts, which handle the fines, wouldn't have been able to cope.
'Imagine 80,000 cheques for £60 coming through your door in a given year. They were swamped and we are the smallest of all the speed partnerships.'
Mr Bond said that in his last year in Warwickshire he deliberately sent officers out to quiet roads when the number of fines approached the limit the courts could cope with an extraordinary story that makes a mockery of the police's claim that speeding tickets are about safety.
'I had to send the camera operators out to roads where they would only catch one or two people an hour,' he said.
Tele-Traffic sells basic hand-held laser speed cameras for £3,000 and the directors told how this could be recovered from speeding drivers in just an hour. Mr Gay said: 'Take the UK model of £60 a pop. If you buy a piece of our kit at £3,000, then operate it in a two-hour session, on an averagely busy road, you will catch about 100 drivers that's £6,000.
He also told how Tele-Traffic was expecting approval from the DoT for a camera the company has developed which can trap motorists from almost a mile away, raking in even more cash.
Tele-Traffic's business is not limited to the UK. Ireland has bought more than 400 laser cameras from their company - and over there, the government is quite open about using cameras to raise revenue.
Mr Ricketts said the Irish government had made an election promise to reduce stamp duty and had made it clear they would make up the lost revenue from speeding fines.
'We have produced for them a new system to make up that revenue,' Mr Ricketts said. 'So they are going the opposite way to the UK Government. They are actually openly promoting speed enforcement as their revenue raiser.'
One thing Tele-Traffic appeared less open about was an alarming discovery it made last year that thousands of motorists might have been wrongly prosecuted for speeding. Mr Gay told how the son of the firm's founder, another former chief superintendent, was caught speeding by a police officer using one of the firm's lasers in a camera on the A14 last year.
He added: 'We looked into it and the officer operating it had not been trained properly, which technically makes the prosecution invalid. We told them that meant every prosecution over the previous five years could also be invalid because of the absence of training. But they insisted on prosecuting him anyway.'
Despite having a news section on its website, Tele-Traffic never told the public about the 'unsafe', prosecutions and there is no record of any of the police forces covering the A14 making any such declaration either.
Happy that our meeting had gone well, Mr Bond and his colleagues promised that it would be 'no problem', for them to introduce the undercover reporters to serving policemen on the Warwickshire Safety Camera Partnership and get hold of unpublished figures for how much the Treasury is raking in from speed cameras.
Last night motorists campaign groups demanded an inquiry.
Tony Vickers, of the Association of British Drivers, said: 'Motorists have suspected for many years that the whole system is against them - now we have the proof that it starts with the Labour Government and goes downwards.
'While there is no evidence that any individual on the partnerships profits from this, the truth of the matter is that it is enabling certain police officers to build mini-empires which are completely unaccountable to anyone but the Treasury.'
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The bloke in that 2nd video is a ****, you cant ride like that through built up areas but the copper should have pulled him over in the 1st 10 seconds of video,
 
I think the key point on the second video is 22 YEAR OLD + FAST BIKE, if i was doing a ton and a bike came up behind me from out of nowhere then i would be letting them go and not racing like a ***.
I'm not for one minute saying that it's right to ride like that BUT when i think back to when i was that age :pirate i could pull better wheelies :dowhat
Older wiser and safer these days.
 
Catapiller, you are bang on with that.
Why didn't they stop him immediatly instead of letting him ride like a **** through all those built up areas? Worse the copper broke just about every rule in the police riding manual to gain his 'evidence' and now the residents of Hastings think there are two bikers riding like twats instead of just one.
There is simply no justification for police actions of this kind.
 
I'd have to agree on the entrapment. Listen to the police rider when he is asked near the beginning as to whether he was "comfortable" to continue and his remarks on the riders ability......

The potential for an accident throughout the filming is extremely high and is endangering to other road users, yet they allowed him to continue. Is that what they call effective policing? Supporting evidence for a prosecution was obtained within the first few minutes. They needed no further evidence.

Would a plain clothes police officer follow a man with a gun running through a town centre to obtain further evidence through observation in light of the potential danger to members of the public? Can you hear the plain clothes officer saying the gunmans target ability isn't very good and we'll keep on following him? I think not.

The rider was breaking the law consistently, he should have been made aware of the unmarked vehicle behind him at the earliest opportunity to give him the choice of what to do next. If you watch the video you can see when the police rider comes up behind a car in the outside lane of the dual carriageway that he has some form of police lighting on the bike as the rear of the car lights up and moves over. The police cannot argue that he would of continued in the same manner when they didn't give him the choice. All he knew was that he had another bike behind him carrying out the exact same movements. That in my book is called compliance.

As an additional point, any public road user would have tarnished the police rider with the same brush had they been asked, since they were also not aware that it was an unmarked police bike.

Don't get me wrong, he broke the law and deserved to have the book thrown at him. What he didn't deserve was to be not given a choice to continue or to stop his actions.

As for the rider with the forward facing camera, he had choice and decided to continually flaunt the cameras. More fool him.

Couldn't agree with you more Cat - totally wrong of the police rider to state that he didnt consider the other rider to be particularly competent especially in the wet yet chose to allow him to continue onwards for far too long. That was hypocricy at it's finest. Public safety my arse.

And the 'head on' the police rider nearly had with the guy on the bike coming the other way was inexcusable and just as dangerous a manaeouvre as what the other rider was doing.

Saw too much of this hypocritical bollocks in that job to make me regularly want to :puke
 
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