Continuing The Saga

kiwi_rsvr said:

Well I finally succumbed to temptation today and fitted the new plugs and battery.
And guess what ....................its even feckin worse than before !!.

Dash lites up fine, pump primes , hit the starter and all I get is a series of clicks.

So now I feel that I am simply right at the beginning again or worse.

Depression returns with a bang or is that a wimper ?

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Dude i have one thing to say,



FOOK IT OFF !!!



No bike aint worth the **** your having, yet ya self a jap 4l, problem solved :biggrin


Cheers,


Ritch

Isn't a clicking normally what you get witha a flat battery - or maybe a shagged starter relay?

Feel for you. Hopefully someone can shed soem light and help you out, even if you decide to get rid, you need to get it running so it can be sold.

Don't give up yet, someone will be able to sort you out.

JayB said:

Don't give up yet, someone will be able to sort you out.

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True dude,


But at what cost ?


New bigger battery £45.00- £60.00
Yam solenoid £30.00
optimate £47.00
Iriduim plugs £20+ if you shop about

So thats about £157 you've spent !!!

Plus also the repair bill on the likely chance you do fook the sprag


How much money do you have to chuck at these bikes just to be able to get them started ?

Kiwi

I had the same problem with my 00 a year ago. I ended up ripping off the alarm - but it wasnt that!

In the end I found it was a relay under the pillion seat.

Take the rear seat/hump off.

Sitting behind the ECU towards the rear of the bike you will see 3 relays. Two the same and one different. Unplug the two the same and swap them over. Try and start the bike.

This may not be your problem but it sorted mine out ( when I had identified which one was knackered).

Ill try and post a photo.




I think it was the middle one. You will see in the photo Ive popped out the two the same the other one (Grey) is still in situ.

If this dont help then give this a readirate

sounds like the relay or tilt switch to me aswell, I had this prob a while ago.
Ck

He already has a yam relay fitted and it didn't click with the old batt so my money is on the new batt being duff.

Modern batts have to be activated by a special charger at the dealer. sometime they forget or it doesn't do it properly and if that happens the batt is useless.

Ritch i think you are looking through rose tintend glasses slightly. I had Japanese before my aprilia's and they had plenty of problems.

On our tour of spain this year 1 bike gave problems. A Yamaha. Went through 2 regulators and killed 2 batts in 5 days. the spanish dealer couldn't find out what was wrong.

bikes go wrong. a twin will always show up a weakness in a starter circuit much more than an IL4. Suzuki's Sv has a miriad of documented starting/charging problems for the same reason.
you have to keep it in perspective mate.

did you read the link Kiwi

Lol forgot how funny the Laird was.

Laird for Prime minister -speaks a lot of sense in a non sensible way if that makes sense. :dunno

read what he says about your batt.

Sorry to confuse things, but what is the deal with the starter relay and benefit of "upgrading" to a yam one?

One thing to be said about the Jap stuff, my previous 3 Hondas, I just bought a new battery as a matter of course when buying the bike and without an Optimate, bikes parked outsied under a cover in all weathers, no starting problems at all!
New batt on my RSV 3 weeks ago, regular use, sat in cold yesterday and struggled, but did start :jack I have no alarm draining mine either.

Kiwi you kind of answered the Japanese thing in your post.

IL4's don't need anywhere near as much power to overcome the compression hence will start with a lowish batt. that's nothing to do with it being Japanaese just it's configuration.

If your batt drops to 3 volts when starting it's clearly a duff batt as was probably the previous one. Pain though that is i fail to see how that is a failure in the bike other than the fact it's a twin that requires big power to start.
I honestly don't think your problem is anything more than a duff batt replaced by a duffer batt.

In design the sprag clutch is used by many vtwin manufacturers because a conventional direct driven starter as per your il4 would not overcome the torque to start the bike. It's tried and tested and it works if your batt is good.
The common denominator is the batt. A twin works it hard and an alarm just makes it worse.

Will you not have a problem with an IL4 - quite possibly but nit because it's built any better just because it's a 4. but i fully understand your dilemma if you need the bike for commuting etc and want a push and go bike.

Jay the Yam solenoid is rated at 100amp. the Aprilia is 60 amp

I tried reading that link Sabre but it appears to be written in a language i dont recognise. :dunno

It's Laird speak - you get used to it. He writes exactly how he speaks it so you can tell how strong his accent must be :dunno

spoonz said:

Ritch i think you are looking through rose tintend glasses slightly. I had Japanese before my aprilia's and they had plenty of problems.

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kiwi_rsvr said:

Spoonz , Altough I only had my R1 for 3 years it never gave an ounce of trouble in the starting arena, none of my mates have had any problems with their IL4's. Invariably you may know these things inside and that gives you one hell of an advantage, most of us are NOT blessed with your knowledge or undoubted skills.

Even if I do get it started I shall be shot of it ASAP and will not return.

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Spoonz,

I sure you are right, every bike has quirks, but i can honestly say all the Jap 4's ive had have been fine and never missed a beat.

Dont get me wrong i loved my RSV. totally different to any bike ive owned and enjoyed every moment of riding in, but as ive said on here before, i would never buy another. To me if the manufacturer cant get something as basic as being able to start the bike right then fook it, im spending my cash elsewhere.

I was round a friends house last week and he hasnt started his GSXR100K3 for well over 4 months cos he's been away.. He took the cover of it, turned off the alarm, put the key in, primed the pump twice and it fired up first time !!!

Here what your saying ritch but my Rsv can go months and start no problem.
It has no alarm and is on the same batt 5 years on.

It comes back to twins and alarms. The alarm doesn't take out enough juice to stop a low compression IL4 but it does a twin. That would be the same for any twin not just an RSV. The only thing using power when it's not running is the alarm. That's hardly Aprilia's fault.

I'm not Aprilia's biggest fan when it comes to backing up their product so i'm quite prepared to slate them when they **** up but i really don't think you can lay the blame at their door in this instance.

as i've said, Vtwins need big amps. less than 100% batt and alarm = starting problem. It doesn't matter how good your bike design is if the bike needs x amount of amps to start and only has Y to do it with cos the alarm sucked it out.

Kiwi had stated the bike started fine till he left it for a week. chances are his batt dropped enough to cause the problem initially and now his mail order batt is worse still (that's not uncommon on mail order batts)

i'm fully prepared to concede that maybe the RSV is not suited to everyone if they want an alarm and a push and go bike but that's not a reflection on the Rsv's build quality. chances are if Kiwi took his batt and stuck it on any twin as it stands it wouldn't start whether it was from Japan or not.
That is just the nature of the beast.
would we be having this conversation if Kiwi's new batt came from down the road and he plugged it in and the bike roared to life ?

again that's not the bikes fault.

nothing stopping you using the car batt to jump it Kiwi but just be careful not fry anything. If it don't start fairly promptly stop.

That laird bloke made me smile but some good info.
Kiwi your bike does seem to be having a mare but i think its the batt mate, 12v is 12v i would get your car battery some jump leads and attach to RSV terminals, I cant see it doing any harm, anyone disagree??