Got some of these pfm discs off tash, and i like um,people look at them and think i must have a big **** , at least i hope they do,bike seems to stop fine and no complaints . mind you perhaps i should have found some gold ones cos they would match my forks romeo and juliet over and out, ps got an armstrong wavy on the back cos i asked tash about a rear and think im right in saying they werent available, but me back brake has always been iffy ie has a lot of travel but knocks enough speed off in those oooh fek moments,pippip keepsafe.