I'm morepoints! (Clive) sold my immaculate 2003 RSV to kibb_dj last Thursday.
I would also add that I sold it at trade price because I am totally fair and took what I had been offered by 2 dealers for the bike against a new bike - one Triumph one Aprilia. It was at least £500 below retail for an immaculate bike, sold for £2500.00
He rode home on it and said it was great but had a problem with the rev limiter or something, experienced on the way home after about 60 miles.
I immediately told him of a similar problem I had experienced when I first fitted the alarm but had not happened since. I told him to completely disconnect the alarm, all the wiring, because the alarm has an eprom and switch in it, and the immobiliser part will still cut the engine if the thing has gone faulty and is affected by vibrations - he didn't!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Clearly at this point I had no idea how competent he was (or not). He told me he had disconnected the alarm and the bike still did the same.
After emailing him almost constantly though Friday and Saturday (until 11.30 last night) I finally managed to get him to understand that taking the fuse out of the alarm power lead (and he decided to cut the same wire!!) was not what I had said. I have my emails if anyone would like me to post them as proof. If you send me your email address and I will forward all mine and his to you, there are 20 or more in total
I gave him specific instruction about removing the alarm completely - but he didn't.
In the mean time well meaning forum members suggested the TPS, the rev counter, the side stand, the bulbs, the plugs etc etc. and they guy started playing with these things unneccesarily.
Ignorant members wound him up saying I had sold him a pup - "go to his house and see his face" "make him pay toward the repair" - how do they make such a judgement - especially when one of them could not even diagnose the fact that he needed a new battery!
Another plonker said " name and shame" - bloody idiot in my opinion, at this point despite trying to help the guy via email I decided to respond on the forum.
If you look at the threads "rev prob" and other threads by kebb_dj you will see I advised him early on that I though it was the alarm.
EVENTUALLY after emailing him a blunt question " what exactly have you done" I discovered he hadn't even disconnected the alarm as he was advised. He'd fiddled with the TPS however and god only knows what else.
I send him specific instructions - he does what I tell him today - PROBLEM SOLVED.
Sensible bits of advice were given by forum members - don't touch what you don't understand (Ian I think) and "stop" - read the manual first and find someone who knows what they are doing. He had no multimeter and said to me he did not know how to use one. Another repeated that he should take the advice I had given him and focus on the alarm. Another contact Griff.
I know most of you guys are doing what you think is best but surely you ought to start by finding out what the person with the problem knows first, what experience they have, their knowledge level, competence and equipment.
Maybe everyone posting for problem solving advice should be required to state their level of competence first, so we all know roughly what they are and are not capable of.
Also maybe moderators should exercise some proper controls and not allow offensive and pointless posts which do not help solve the problem but just wind up a member who is already upset and frustrated.
Advising someone to fiddle with TPS settings or to change bits when you are remote from the bike and no diagnosis has been done and the only information is symptoms - you are in danger of doubling the problem not solving it.
How would you like to have your NHS consultant tell you what is wrong with you without seeing you, a proper consultation or testing anything first, when all he knows is you feel faint occasionally - you might have a heart problem or anaemia - but he says let's start with an operation to remove your eyeballs.
I would also add that I offered to buy the bike back (at a bit less than I was paid for it because it would have two owners added on the V5 and I didn't know what had been done to it in the mean time and if anything had been damaged). I had also already bought another bike. The purchaser declined my offer - on my and his emails also if you want them.
Needless to say vinniersv still has not got his brain sorted - even if someone else has managed to tell him to get a battery! If he doesn't want to believe me that's his problem - there was nothing wrong with the bike when it was bought - who knows when and why the alarm started playing up - not an uncommon problem on these bone shakers - maybe hitting the rev limiter hard jolted it badly and bingo -- I'm sure vinniersv will know though being such an expert and will post his most worthwhile and exciting contribution soon.
Also suggesting I should pay towards a repair (which wasn't needed) which I could have done myself (if it was needed) is crazy. If this guy had lived nearer and come back to me I would have had this sorted in about 10 minutes - he was welcome to bring it back, but very quickly was enveigled into this forum with multiple suggestions that were useless generally and this got him into a complete mess. Only after a very late email last night did he actually say he would do what I had advised. "went to my Dads today....."
He still could find problems occur even now - he rather foolishly says the problem has been solved even tho' he has left two wires connected to the alarm (and presumably the alarm still on the bike) - he thinks he has solved the problem himself - " a wire goes into the bike" - I know I fitted the alarm!!! These are the ones which cut the ignition!! He really needs to do something about this - perhaps someone here would like to advise him - I've now had enough and since I now know he doesn't follow advice anyway what can you do. I know the bike is a beaut - he got an really bargain and all he seems to want is a new can - good luck to him - its all his now.
Sometimes you can't help those who wont or can't help themselves. Somet
I would also add that I sold it at trade price because I am totally fair and took what I had been offered by 2 dealers for the bike against a new bike - one Triumph one Aprilia. It was at least £500 below retail for an immaculate bike, sold for £2500.00
He rode home on it and said it was great but had a problem with the rev limiter or something, experienced on the way home after about 60 miles.
I immediately told him of a similar problem I had experienced when I first fitted the alarm but had not happened since. I told him to completely disconnect the alarm, all the wiring, because the alarm has an eprom and switch in it, and the immobiliser part will still cut the engine if the thing has gone faulty and is affected by vibrations - he didn't!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Clearly at this point I had no idea how competent he was (or not). He told me he had disconnected the alarm and the bike still did the same.
After emailing him almost constantly though Friday and Saturday (until 11.30 last night) I finally managed to get him to understand that taking the fuse out of the alarm power lead (and he decided to cut the same wire!!) was not what I had said. I have my emails if anyone would like me to post them as proof. If you send me your email address and I will forward all mine and his to you, there are 20 or more in total
I gave him specific instruction about removing the alarm completely - but he didn't.
In the mean time well meaning forum members suggested the TPS, the rev counter, the side stand, the bulbs, the plugs etc etc. and they guy started playing with these things unneccesarily.
Ignorant members wound him up saying I had sold him a pup - "go to his house and see his face" "make him pay toward the repair" - how do they make such a judgement - especially when one of them could not even diagnose the fact that he needed a new battery!
Another plonker said " name and shame" - bloody idiot in my opinion, at this point despite trying to help the guy via email I decided to respond on the forum.
If you look at the threads "rev prob" and other threads by kebb_dj you will see I advised him early on that I though it was the alarm.
EVENTUALLY after emailing him a blunt question " what exactly have you done" I discovered he hadn't even disconnected the alarm as he was advised. He'd fiddled with the TPS however and god only knows what else.
I send him specific instructions - he does what I tell him today - PROBLEM SOLVED.
Sensible bits of advice were given by forum members - don't touch what you don't understand (Ian I think) and "stop" - read the manual first and find someone who knows what they are doing. He had no multimeter and said to me he did not know how to use one. Another repeated that he should take the advice I had given him and focus on the alarm. Another contact Griff.
I know most of you guys are doing what you think is best but surely you ought to start by finding out what the person with the problem knows first, what experience they have, their knowledge level, competence and equipment.
Maybe everyone posting for problem solving advice should be required to state their level of competence first, so we all know roughly what they are and are not capable of.
Also maybe moderators should exercise some proper controls and not allow offensive and pointless posts which do not help solve the problem but just wind up a member who is already upset and frustrated.
Advising someone to fiddle with TPS settings or to change bits when you are remote from the bike and no diagnosis has been done and the only information is symptoms - you are in danger of doubling the problem not solving it.
How would you like to have your NHS consultant tell you what is wrong with you without seeing you, a proper consultation or testing anything first, when all he knows is you feel faint occasionally - you might have a heart problem or anaemia - but he says let's start with an operation to remove your eyeballs.
I would also add that I offered to buy the bike back (at a bit less than I was paid for it because it would have two owners added on the V5 and I didn't know what had been done to it in the mean time and if anything had been damaged). I had also already bought another bike. The purchaser declined my offer - on my and his emails also if you want them.
Needless to say vinniersv still has not got his brain sorted - even if someone else has managed to tell him to get a battery! If he doesn't want to believe me that's his problem - there was nothing wrong with the bike when it was bought - who knows when and why the alarm started playing up - not an uncommon problem on these bone shakers - maybe hitting the rev limiter hard jolted it badly and bingo -- I'm sure vinniersv will know though being such an expert and will post his most worthwhile and exciting contribution soon.
Also suggesting I should pay towards a repair (which wasn't needed) which I could have done myself (if it was needed) is crazy. If this guy had lived nearer and come back to me I would have had this sorted in about 10 minutes - he was welcome to bring it back, but very quickly was enveigled into this forum with multiple suggestions that were useless generally and this got him into a complete mess. Only after a very late email last night did he actually say he would do what I had advised. "went to my Dads today....."
He still could find problems occur even now - he rather foolishly says the problem has been solved even tho' he has left two wires connected to the alarm (and presumably the alarm still on the bike) - he thinks he has solved the problem himself - " a wire goes into the bike" - I know I fitted the alarm!!! These are the ones which cut the ignition!! He really needs to do something about this - perhaps someone here would like to advise him - I've now had enough and since I now know he doesn't follow advice anyway what can you do. I know the bike is a beaut - he got an really bargain and all he seems to want is a new can - good luck to him - its all his now.
Sometimes you can't help those who wont or can't help themselves. Somet
